Seperation of powers.

@Wilhelm Zaisser#5032 And that is not to say that communities would not usurp the monopoly on violence?

@Deleted User Communities trend towards stability, similar to how societies functioned before modern governments.

Societies were extremely violent before modern governments, are you saying that feudalism was less violent and more harmonious?

Not sure what you mean with 'extremely violent'. Stable societies cannot be extremely violent. Believe it or not, people don't like being raped and murdered.

>Believing societies before now were way violent

There was always violence in past societies, don't tell me that any society was less violent than society is now, because they were always more violent.

That's hilarious and very vague.

Even before civilization was developed, humans were much more violent.

How in any way was society more violent now?

What are you even comparing it to? Also it seems like violence may be apart of how a society is stabilised.

How so?

Did a quick google for you:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-peaceful-civilization-in-human-history
https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-most-peaceful-society-and-closest-to-nature-in-history
Some ideas.

Suppose combat sports is a way to sublimate aggression and turn violent instincts intoa controlled environment. That could be a net gain for stability.

@Wilhelm Zaisser#5032 >Greek society
>Doubt is casted over their lack of wars
>We have not even translated their language

Or suppose that there is a degree of natural selection and some violence adds to it.

And what are you even comparing it to. What is the golden example of peace in today's world, and if it is a first world country, what about the rest of the world upon which the first world is rested upon?

And an island that only 330K people live on and was not lived on by humans until the vikings made a small settlement on it.

That does not seem skewed at all.

What do you mean skewed?

There is very few people on it, not to mention that humans did not even live there until another society colonized it, the low numbers skew the crime rates due to it being much, much easier to get a control over and to treat, this does not go with other countries due to their large population being extremely difficult to control, and the costs plus the resources are difficult to handle as well.

So it's exceptional compared to what? What is the golden example you have in mind?

Where the government leads to greatest peace.

There is no golden example.

So on what basis are you saying that government leads to greatest peace?

What I meant, is that with modern governments, there is much more peace than there would be in the past.

I don't even know how to reply to that without examples.

Would you prefer to live in a feudal society or a neolithic tribe?

socialism doesnt work

look at venezuela

Hmmm, I could imagine a state of mind where I would prefer it. I'm not a reactionary though, it's hard for me to project myself into the past and want to return to it. I just accept the present.

I hope you like living in a stone house, farming from dawn until dusk, having to meet a quota that forces you to live off of a few peices of bread and dirty water from a river bed.

As if those are the only options.

Modern government is not perfect. The most perfect society would not need a government.

That is the thing, there is no perfect society.

That's true. But it can be improved and progressed.

Would it be better to have a government or not. or else being equal? Why shouldn't we try to move to improve where we can see that in a best cast scenario, government would not be needed. It's a way off, but it's an extra layer that may not be ultimately necessary, and society could be improved if it could learn to life without it.

anyone else like naztrot gang

stalinlism is trash

@Wilhelm Zaisser#5032 Equality is a false god, people will always need to be ordered and will always need people to give them orders.

the USSR was about as socialist as sweden

google murray bookchin

I'm a feminist/intersectionalist ama

@Katya Are you talking about late USSR?

@Piper Interwhat?

stalin was my favorite social democrat

I adhere to intersectionality theory which is a theory about oppression.

Lotta leftypolers don't like it

Enlighten me.

About intersectionality?

@Deleted User I didn't say anything about 'equality', I said learning to live without government. This involves economic emancipation, not the same as equality.

It's quite difficult to fend off so many assumptions at once.

@Piper Obviously.

>people will always need to be ordered and will always need people to give them orders
Always is a very long time.

The basic idea is that forms of oppression like class oppression, racism, and patriarcy reinforce and reproduce each other meaning that the approach to dismantling them needs to be inclusive and take each form of oppresion into account.

>Patriarchy
Did you come from tumblr?

lol Nope

@Piper He doesn't know anything. I hope you have lots of patience.

He's a massive dogmatist and reactionary.

>greentext

I like "educating" peole

*people

He is young and thinks vague handwaving is a strong piece of rhetoric. I bet it works with his little edgy friends.

Zero existing genders? I don't get it.

intersectionality is integral to a social revolution

Intersectionality=/= liberal idpol

@Deleted User What he means is that genders do no exist, implying that there is only sexes of male and female.

what did he mean by this

That makes no sense.

Lol no that is not what that meme means

Memes are memes.

Yes, of course, if we reduce the gender aspect it must obviously mean that we must fall back on sexual distinction for some totally sensible reason.

So do you have any actual objetions to concept of patriarchy?

Most of the time they don't make any sense.

Or are you just gonna call me a tublerina or whatever

memes are memes <:pn:312032035872964608>

Gender distinction is a spook be it born of floaty intellectual jargon or sexual distinctions.

Gender identity is not a spook

What is the function of a meme? 🤔

gender is a social construct

EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS A SPOOOOOOOG <:pn:312032035872964608>

@Piper While I do believe that a womans primary job is to be a housewife or mother, that does not mean that I do not believe that women should be confined to not having any education, property or jobs.

So you do believe in patriarchy, you just think it's a good thing?

communism means the abolition of the family

>womans primary job is to be a housewife
Wew.

'job'

Or should I say "occupation"?

@Deleted User Are you a leftist

@Deleted User Take a wild guess.

@Deleted User Im going to guess no

That you are correct about.

@Deleted User What is the man's primary occupation? Are you fulfilling it?

@Deleted User A mans primary occupation should work of some sort, and why should I tell you anything about myself?

Because you life in fantasy land and don't even live up to your own prescripts of who should do what.

Is your wife at home in the kitchen?

Like I said, why should I tell you anything?
Anyways, we are getting off track.

Hello why do you folks believe communism is great? It seems awfully scary that the government gets full power and eventually becomes a dictator.

@Deleted User No, now I am wonder what other of your prescriptions is based on fantasy... like the government being the shining example and pinnacle of peace in the world compared to all possibilities.