it's late and i'm shitposting

so what do you think is better, the workers acting directly with the state, or the state acting as a mediator between the workers and the businesses/corporations to get fair wages and conditions etc etc

When the state owns the means of production what it is called?

@Bee obviously the workers utilising soviets/councils to self-manage the public affair in the total absence of business/corporate/capitalist class

what if its a small business

i wouldn't consider them elite

nothing that worker-coops can't do as well. petty bourgeois business is meaningless, obsolete.

i only consider petty bourgeois as trust fund kids and upper middle class

there's no need to retain petty bourgeois forms of property

we can directly transition to public, cooperative and personal property

can a family still have personal private land that they're had for generations or nah
i feel like people would work their own land and would have more pride working on it if they knew it was theirs, etc

same with any other small business

corporate can get fucked tho

I think the whole issue of the land is sentimental at best. As long as there is housing, and the housing distributed is *yours and cannot be taken away,* that is good enough.

why should that housing be then used to cultivate capital?

why?

it doesn't make sense from a *true anti-capitalist position*

which 3rd position doesn't in fact maintain

wait what are you arguing lol

You are saying that the people should be allowed land for petty bourgeois farming right? Working the land and stuff?

i think smaller firms should be encouraged and be able to compete with the coporation, with state oversight

of the corp

Farming can be done by cooperative farms (kolkhoz) and state/council farms (sovkhoz) - this should be sufficient to meet the food consumption demand of the people and avoid capital accumulation.

I mean

yeah but that's not anti-capitalism

I hope you understand that 😄

that's just capital-skepticism

3rd position is *capital skeptical*

its not anti-capitalist

but here's the thing, it just depends who controls the capital, right? you can use that capital for better tools, pay, conditions, better shit, more projects etc

farming is anti capitalism

agrarianism is based

Capital isn't controlled, not really. It is used by capitalists, but it plays the capitalist perhaps more than does the capitalist play capital

Fellas

wut lmao

Speak softer please

I’m trying to sleep

y doe

go away

get woke

fren

Mute the fucking chat Toadette

^^^

@Bee capital is what drives the capitalist yes? Not the other way around? The capitalist doesn't really *control capital* - the capital flow and fluctuations dictates his opportunities, the things he can or can not do, the capital isn't even generated by the capitalist but his workers. Capital takes on a life of its own, and we see how this happens at its last stage - imperialism - where there no longer is one person that can be clearly pointed at as being the one in charge.

@𝕿𝖔𝖙𝖆𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖎𝖆𝖓 𝕲𝖗𝖆𝖓𝖉𝖆𝖉𝖉𝖉𝖞 I love you nigga

Then fucking marry me cunt

that escalated fast

Okay, bitch

no sex allowed in this Christian chat

> Christian

**god not real**

***deb8 me***

then why chase communism

*dab*

because communism is great

christianity is dumb

Christian god isn't the only God

no, and the Islamic god is pretty dumb too

😄

you're missing the point

😕

What about the Jewish god you like

Kike

Judaism

Jewish god is dumb and weak

👍

defeated by Iron

literally

its in the bible

fak u

he can't outdo iron

😄

What's the name when the State control the means of production?

```Philistines have IRON CHARIOTS REEEEE```
- Yahweh

Retardation? @𝕿𝖔𝖙𝖆𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖎𝖆𝖓 𝕲𝖗𝖆𝖓𝖉𝖆𝖉𝖉𝖉𝖞

@𝕿𝖔𝖙𝖆𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖎𝖆𝖓 𝕲𝖗𝖆𝖓𝖉𝖆𝖉𝖉𝖉𝖞 sounds like state socialism

when you realize the real Palestinians don't even Exist anymore

not the point

the point is

GOD CAN BE DEFEATED WITH IRON

Fake Palestinians get out REEEEE

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA

Israel isn't god

Wait do

So

In Minecraft

stop

no

I had the ability to take on god

?

no

```The LORD was with Judah, and they took possession of the hill country; but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the plains, because they had chariots of iron.```

From Judges 1:19

THE LORD WUZ. BUT THEN WUZN'T. BECUZ MUH IRON 😄

@Xinyue 🤔
that's...
the capitalist, wants more capital, to get more capital
then he uses that capital to influence politics, buys out the competition, etc
i can see the point of the capitalist only chasing profits for mere profits , in which he either brings in cheap labor or ships out jobs to 3rd world countries for it.
would you rather have the capital be controlled to and used to serve the people, or by a shadowy group of elites
we both hate elites, our question is what about the little guy?
different people have different strengths

Imagine having the LORD OF THE WORLDS helping you out in your conquest but then have this advantage **nullified by bloody iron age technology holy shit lmao**

being a Christian/Abrahamic advocate in 2018 is meme

The Lord is with us, doesn't mean he will do everything for us..
in Hinduism, Krishna was with the Pandyas, he guided them but never fought for them.. if he did the war would be over in one second.

The lesson is you fight your own wars, god is only a source of enlightenment.

@Xinyue

Good thing people don’t consider me Christian 😎

Christian/Biblical account on God is *dumb* 😄

I don't care what Hinduism says, its irrelevant

I love bootyism

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