When the state owns the means of production what it is called?

@Bee obviously the workers utilising soviets/councils to self-manage the public affair in the total absence of business/corporate/capitalist class

what if its a small business

i wouldn't consider them elite

nothing that worker-coops can't do as well. petty bourgeois business is meaningless, obsolete.

i only consider petty bourgeois as trust fund kids and upper middle class

there's no need to retain petty bourgeois forms of property

we can directly transition to public, cooperative and personal property

can a family still have personal private land that they're had for generations or nah
i feel like people would work their own land and would have more pride working on it if they knew it was theirs, etc

same with any other small business

corporate can get fucked tho

I think the whole issue of the land is sentimental at best. As long as there is housing, and the housing distributed is *yours and cannot be taken away,* that is good enough.

why should that housing be then used to cultivate capital?

why?

it doesn't make sense from a *true anti-capitalist position*

which 3rd position doesn't in fact maintain

wait what are you arguing lol

You are saying that the people should be allowed land for petty bourgeois farming right? Working the land and stuff?

i think smaller firms should be encouraged and be able to compete with the coporation, with state oversight

of the corp

Farming can be done by cooperative farms (kolkhoz) and state/council farms (sovkhoz) - this should be sufficient to meet the food consumption demand of the people and avoid capital accumulation.

I mean

yeah but that's not anti-capitalism

I hope you understand that 😄

that's just capital-skepticism

3rd position is *capital skeptical*

its not anti-capitalist

but here's the thing, it just depends who controls the capital, right? you can use that capital for better tools, pay, conditions, better shit, more projects etc

farming is anti capitalism

agrarianism is based

Capital isn't controlled, not really. It is used by capitalists, but it plays the capitalist perhaps more than does the capitalist play capital

Fellas

wut lmao

Speak softer please

I’m trying to sleep

y doe

go away

get woke

fren

Mute the fucking chat Toadette

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