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Mods are gay <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

fucking finally

was this due to whatshisface

who only posts in this channel

yes

Biological differences between ethnicities are more responsible for disparities in socioeconomic status then "systemic racism".

there i said it

Opinions on this?
<https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/02/22/poland-is-cocking-up-migration-in-a-very-european-way>
```It(Poland) took in more workers from outside the eu in 2018 than any other country—nearly five times more than Germany—and is likely to have repeated the trick again in 2019. Nearly 2m Ukrainians have arrived since 2014, pushed by a ropy national economy and a war in the country’s east, and pulled by higher wages in Poland. They are not alone. In the past three years 36,000 Nepalese, 20,000 Indians and 18,000 Bangladeshis have moved to Poland. It is a big shift: Poland, a country of 38m inhabitants, had only 100,000 foreigners of any stripe in 2011. Migration is seen as a political faultline in the eu, with an open west set against a closed east. Yet Poland is, quietly, starting to look more like its peers in western Europe```

Personally I think it is the culture of anti-intellectualism in some communities that hold them back nowadays

what are mods? I don't think I've seen one on this server

if only **THE ONE WHO SHAL NOT BE NAMED** used the Steelman technique this would have never happened

@Ethreen42 Simple, Indians and Bangladeshis start killing each other in the streets, and the Poles may just be smart enough to boot them the fuck out when it happens. We shall see. In any case, their political class betrayed the common man by importing subpar people to replace them and drive down wages. I hear the Poles are opposed to LGBT and communism, which makes it more likely that they will also oppose this at some point.

@SkeF Conversely, some communities suffer from all of the faux-intellectualism. It's one thing to ba a hillbilly who thinks the Earth is flat (anti-intellectual; smart people are wrong), it's quite another to be a college student who thinks there is no biological sex (faux-intellectual; I am smart, and you are wrong).

What's the difference?

@Windleaf What is steelman technique?

@Jake the Exile Level of pretentiousness, mostly.

Both believe they have special knowledge that others don't and they got it from a higher source.

In one case, you explicitly reject intellectualism, while in the other, you reject it by substituting it with your own retarded thing (in the case of commies, it's their gender theory bullshit.

How is flat-earth not rejecting common sense and replacing it with something else

Aren't they exactly the same

maybe the flat earth is a bad example

but how many academic papers does the Flat earth theory have, and how many does Gender theory and LGBT studies have?

Flat earth is not part of academia, destroying your kids with transgenderism is.

Maybe that is the real divide here.

"I hear the Poles are opposed to LGBT" not as much as they were 20 years ago, I fully expect Poland to be as progressive as Ireland in 40 years if nothing happens @Goddess Tyche

Maybe we should ask a Pole about his opinion.

@svarozhyc