me rn

we already tried not having a welfare system

you know what happened?

No

we got a welfare system

In the cities where these policies have been implemented most actively, the annual rate of overdose deaths has increased, not declined

Use has also increased

We can both read the book, and discuss the merits of its arguments.

okay, so you want me to read a book that you haven't read, which you claim says something that I now is empirically not true

Almost doubling, in both cases

no, I don't need to

I literally don't need to

its an empirical fact that under prohibition, alcohol use was reduced

not only that, but its repeatable

it literally doesn't matter to this guy whats what

what matters is his feelings

I never said he claimed drugs didn't reduce consumption, though I'm pretty sure such statistics are completely unreliable anyway.

about what is right

a repeatable phenomenon under many scenarios

yes, you're right its pure feeling

Next prohibition will be on non-reproductive sex acts

he wants so badly for prohibition of something to INCREASE its usage

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By 2024

just because of ideology

PURE

ideology

schniff

@Nerthulas you literally don't know if he makes that argument.

neither do you

Now you're just strawmanning.

but I know you made it

But such stats are unreliable

Muh empiricism

😂

"muh evidence"

How can the government measure the black market? A market they have zero control over. Why would a citizen openly admit to consuming alcohol at a time where it was a crime? I can't trust the studies methodology.

I've made this argument before and you've completely failed to address it.

"you think that EVIDENCE can cause me to disbelieve in my ideology?!?"

*scoffs*

Yes

I have no reason to trust the evidence.

It's flawed.

its the best measures that we have

You can't measure the consumption of an item on the black market, not effectively. It's the black market.

the measures were consistent

They're unreliable measures.

you want to get rid of the black market?

not really, no

start killing them

death penalty

👏🏿 👏🏿

Not worth considering.

do drugs?

die

there

fixed the whole thing

ideology folks

not even once

this is your brain on it

Poo poo

see, weaboo

i fixed it

you can measure everything

i didn't go to the root cause; I just nuked the whole thing

As punitive measures against drug use in my country have liberalised and accommodation for drug users has increased, in a period of four years, drug related hospitalisations increased by 30%, in 2018 nearly 5,000 people died, equal to about one every two hours

The drugs they are overdosing on are procured ***legally*** from pharmacies

"buuut muh studies! muh numbers!"

Why is empiricism reliable? Why should I trust stats?

"but they're the best we have"

Dosen't change anything. It's not good enough.

"let's just have people do x"

how

how do you just get there

ou can't force them

you just open the gates to chaos and hope for the best

No

if its not good enough

then your ideology is not even worth considering

if the stats aren't good enough

Lmao

no?

then whatever you think is just straight trash

you just said let them die

Yes, fuck your stats. Prove they're reliable.

lower than not good enough

13,000 people died in a period of two years in my country from overdose on addictive prescription medication

Now you're just seething with rage but can't even substantiate your claims.

Putin decreased alcohol use in his country 42% by policy

lol

Who is seething

who is seething

me

Putin is doing a good job

I'm the seether

I think we all know who is

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It's just absurd

your ridiculous claims have been thoroughly debunked

Alcoholism is one of Russia's biggest problems