<@&629847056436953118> alright, so who is showing up

@Wrath i won't show up, plz don't hate me

cant. Have fun tho

Is it literally gonna be me with two people

One of whom is already confirmed

Because it seems like I should just give y'all some fucking homework

If it's just gonna be two people I may as well not stay up. Medication makes me super tired and all that shit

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THE THIRD ARTICLE

"Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary."
The Christian must not only believe in the Son of God, as we have seen, but also in His Incarnation.
St. John, after having written of things subtle and difficult to understand,[1] points out the
Incarnation to us when he says: "And the Word was made flesh."[2] Now, in order that we may
understand something of this, I give two illustrations at the outset.

It is clear that there is nothing more like the Word of God than the word which is conceived in our
mind but not spoken. Now, no one knows this interior word in our mind except the one who conives
it, and then it is known to others only when it is pronounced.[3] So also as long as the Word of God
was in the heart of the Father, it was not known except by the Father Himself; but when the Word
assumed flesh--as a word becomes audible--then was It first made manifest and known.
"Afterwards He was seen upon earth and conversed with men."[4] Another example is that,
although the spoken word is known through hearing, yet it is neither seen nor touched, unless it is
written on paper. So also the Word of God was made both visible and tangible when He became
flesh. And as the paper upon which the word of a king is written is called the word of the king, so
also Man to whom the Word of God is conjoined in one "hypostasis"[5] is called the Son of God.
"Take thee a great book and write in it with a man's pen."[6] Therefore, the holy Apostles affirmed:
"Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary."

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ERRORS RELATING TO THE THIRD ARTICLE

On this point there arose many errors; and the holy Fathers at the Council of Nicea added in that
other Creed a number of things which suppress all these errors.
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Origen said that Christ was born and came into the world to save even the devils, and, therefore, at
the end of the world all the demons will be saved. But this is contrary to the Holy Scripture: Depart
from Me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels."[7]
Consequently, to remove this error they added in the Creed: "Who for us men (not for the devils)
and for our salvation, came down from heaven." In this the love of God for us is made more
apparent.

Photinus would have Christ born of the Blessed Virgin, but added that He was a mere man who by
a good life in doing the will of God merited to become the son of God even as other holy men. This,
too, is denied by this saying of John: "I came down from heaven, not to do My own will but the will
of Him that sent Me." 8 Now if Christ were not in heaven, He would not have descended from
heaven, and were He a mere man, He would not have been in heaven. Hence, it is said in the Nicene
Creed: "He came down from heaven."

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Manichaeus, however, said that Christ was always the Son of God and He descended from heaven,
but He was not actually but only in appearance clothed in true flesh. But this is false, because it is
not worthy of the Teacher of Truth to have anything to do with what is false, and just as He showed
His physical Body, so it was really His: "Handle, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as
you see Me to have."[9] To remove this error, therefore, they added: "And He was incarnate."

Ebion, who was a Jew, said that Christ was born of the Blessed Virgin in the ordinary human
way.[10] But this is false, for the Angel said of Mary: "That which is conceived in her is of the
Holy Ghost."[11] And the holy Fathers to destroy this error, added: "By the Holy Ghost."

Valentinus believed that Christ was conceived by the Holy Ghost, but would have the Holy Spirit
deposit a heavenly body in the Blessed Virgin, so that she contributed nothing to Christ's birth
except to furnish a place for Him. Thus, he said, this Body appeared by means of the Blessed
Virgin, as though she were a channel. This is a great error, for the Angel said: "And therefore also
the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."[12] And the Apostle adds:
"But when the fullness of time was come, God sent His Son, made of a woman."[13] Hence the
Creed says: "Born of the Virgin Mary."

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Arius and Apollinarius held that, although Christ was the Word of God and was born of the Virgin
Mary, nevertheless He did not have a soul, but in place of the soul was His divinity. This is contrary
to the Scripture, for Christ says: "Now is My soul troubled."[14] And again: "My soul is sorrowful
even unto death."[15] For this reason the Fathers added: "And was made man." Now, man is made
up of body and soul. Christ had all that a true man has save sin. All the above-mentioned errors and
all others that can be offered are destroyed by this, that He was made man. The error of Eutyches
particularly is destroyed by it. He held that, by a commixture of the divine nature of Christ with the
human, He was neither purely divine nor purely human. This is not true, because by it Christ would
not be a man. And so it is said: "He was made man." This destroys also the error of Nestorius, who
said that the Son of God only by an indwelling was united to man. This, too, is false, because by
this Christ would not be man but only in a man, and that He became man is clear from these words:
"He was in habit found as man."[16] "But now you seek to kill Me, a man who have spoken the
truth to you, which I have heard of God.[17]

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GOOD EFFECTS OF THESE CONSIDERATIONS

We can learn something from all this. (1) Our faith is strengthened. If, for instance, someone should
tell us about a certain foreign land which he himself had never seen, we would not believe him to
the extent we would if he had been there. Now, before Christ came into the world, the Patriarchs
and Prophets and John the Baptist told something of God; but men did not believe them as they
believed Christ, who was with God, nay more, was one with God. Hence, far more firm is our faith
in what is given us by Christ Himself: "No one hath seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son
who is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him."[18] Thus, many mysteries of our faith
which before the coming of Christ were hidden from us, are now made clear.

(2) Our hope is raised up. It is certain that the Son of Man did not come to us, assuming our flesh,
for any trivial cause, but for our exceeding great advantage. For He made as it were a trade with us,
assuming a living body and deigning to be born of the Virgin, in order that to us might be
vouchsafed part of His divinity.[19] And thus He became man that He might make man divine.[20]

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(3) Our charity is enkindled. There is no proof of divine charity so clear as that God, the Creator of
all things, is made a creature; that Our Lord is become our brother, and that the Son of God is made
the Son of man: "For God so loved the world as to give His only-begotten Son."[21] Therefore,
upon consideration of this our love for God ought to be re-ignited and burst into flame.

(4) This induces us to keep our souls pure. Our nature was exalted and ennobled by its union with
God to the extent of being assumed into union with a Divine Person.[22]

Indeed, after the Incarnation the Angel would not permit St. John to adore him, although he allowed
this to be done before by even the greatest patriarchs.[23] Therefore, one who reflects on this
exaltation of his nature and is ever conscious of it, should scorn to cheapen and lower himself and
his nature by sin. Thus, says St. Peter: "By whom He hath given us most great and precious
promises; that by these you may be made partakers of the divine nature; flying the corruption of
that concupiscence which is in the world."[24]

Finally, by consideration of all this, our desire to come to Christ is intensified. If a king had a
brother who was away from him a long distance, that brother would desire to come to the king to
see, to be with him and to abide with him. So also Christ is our brother, and we should desire to be
with Him and to be united to Him. "Wheresoever the body shall be, there shall the eagles also
gathered together."[25] The Apostle desired "to be dissolved and be with Christ."[26] And it is this
desire which grows in us as we meditate upon the Incarnation of Christ.

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Read this

And that will be the lesson of the week

You damn lazy fucks

This was lazier than I thought

If nobody is gonna show up, I may as well get some well needed sleep

I’m here

Yeah, but what's the point talking you through the catechism?

Right

I'd be in if work wasn't so shit, there's not even really much reason for me to be here past 6 or 7 but I'm here till 10

Shouldn't the Church handle RCIA

Well yeah, this is more of a "teaching people what we believe" class because RCIA is garbage normally

RCIA is really basic

Way too basic

Children’s catechism is also way more basic

Don’t think I know what I know because of my catechism class when I was 10

Literally it’s coloured hair old ladies teaching the ‘judge not’ rhetoric daily

my SSPX parish offers Catechism classes

Not everyone has an SSPX parish

well, they should <:spurdo:616998787604414488>

>tfw when your Bishop seems to have the ability to drive all trad priests away because of "reasons"

Not enough child molestation

Got quotas to meet fam

That is terrible, but I can't help but laugh

I think embezzlement is popular here

Unsurprising

Embezzlement was the vice of choice of the parish I grew up in

Fucking narcos run everything mexican in California

I refuse to tithe tbh

I try to tithe but also I'm shit at it

i am broke so i cant tithe

I've also never been an official member of a church so never really been *obligated*

Same, but even if I had money I wouldn't tithe.

It doesn't stay in that Church.

It goes to the bishop and then the Vatican

I ain't gonna give francis money

Like, you should, corrupt as your church may be, just gotta put that money towards other places sometimes. There's definitely virtue in the sacrifice itself

Something I've been grappling with running on fumes monetarily

I refuse to fund a satanic takeover

They can go bankrupt those filthy jews at my parish

I’d like to seem them gone and see FSSP take over

I tend to donate more to local christian ministries specifically more than my church

I don’t

Neither

Give your tithe to a non-shit monsastery or something idk

I give alms if I’m not in my parish and I know the church isn’t involved in scandal

I'd rather buy Cardinal Sarah's book

Fund good faith

Problem is you’re funding your enemies

Retard

It still goes to the Pope nigger

Our bishop emeritus escaped with 4 million pesos

Filthy jew

A cut, but cloistered communities use the money for living expenses first is why I suggested it

They let monasteries run on fumes.

I'll buy from them, but I ain't tithing to them

I'd rather tithe to Church Militant.

Well there you go then

They don't need my money

So no

Like, it's not about who gets the money so much as the money funding good faith

The sacrifice is what's important, doesn't necessarily need to be monetary but unless you want to bust your ass doing actual work for your parish you should be giving something somewhere

Those are interconnected. You can't tithe to your Church and expect it to be used for good faith entirely.

Because that's what is funding the synod.

Tithing is important, if you're not giving money at least time and labor that you miss, that's what I've defaulted to quite a bit, or at least did until I ended up between churches

ok so im not sure i can do 7pm tbh but depending on how long it goes on i'll do my best to catch it!

Like, I don't think the mindset of "fuck tithing" is generally healthy I think is what I'm trying to get at here

@Lyngblomst scroll up and read the exerpt that I posted

I'll tithe when the Church ousts the pedos and returns to tradition.

lol sorry i only checked my mentions

Malachi 3:8-12

**Malachi 3:8-12 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

```Dust


<8> Shall a man afflict God? for you afflict me. And you have said: Wherein do we afflict thee? in tithes and in firstfruits. <9> And you are cursed with want, and you afflict me, even the whole nation of you. <10> Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in my house, and try me in this, saith the Lord: if I open not unto you the flood-gates of heaven, and pour you out a blessing even to abundance. <11> And I will rebuke for your sakes the devourer, and he shall not spoil the fruit of your land: neither shall the vine in the field be barren, saith the Lord of hosts. <12> And all nations shall call you blessed: for you shall be a delightful land, saith the Lord of hosts. ```

Don't be a kike

Better than supporting Satan by proxy

Firstfruits doesn't just mean money. If nothing else let your tithe be working actively towards a more trad parish. Talking to people, expressing the need and desire, not taking up a mantle but being a voice at least. Sloth serves satan just as much as Francis' heresy does.

There’s a difference?

Nigger, our bishop didn’t give a cent to communities in need

Then give the cent for him.

On the contrary, assigned more than 2 priests to the rich parish and left these communities with a single priest

"Donation by MawLr on behalf of X parish"

Dab on them with passive aggressive charity

I do, and my mother does even more, she and her apostolic group went to these communities to teach kids catechism

That's tithing

Unfortunately since my mother is on the trad side, the bishop bloody removed them

Kudos to the fucking bishop ay

What a cunt

Fuck the Bishop, spread the faith.

>my mother was accused of sacrilege for being trad