"The Ecological Approach to Visual Perception" ? great read

the one I found at the thrift store was "Vision and Action" and it has these 3d renders of simulated AI dolphins doing tricks and stuff in it

perception of the visual world

thats sounds insanely cool

Gibsonian neuroscience/psych has giant implications for AI/software/hardware architectures, that's what I work on for my day job

so what should i be reading rn?

http://www.fast-files.com/getfile.aspx?file=161828 :: the perception of the visual world - jj gibson

what are you interested in?

whatever is the most terrifying thing you encounter at your day job

hmmmmmmm

https://twitter.com/KeIIyOubre/status/995874607658950657

there's some bits in a collection of distributed systems logic papers called "Inconsistency Robustness" about the politics of ontologies, and also that the surveillance/control state is probably going to program/implant biocomputational backdoors into our bodies (if they haven't already) the same way they've put them into computer hardware because it's all signaling systems

https://www.amazon.com/Inconsistency-Robustness-Studies-Logic-Hewitt/dp/1848901593 ?

yes, there's cheaper copies on ebay i believe tho

I will give this a look thank you

Carl Hewitt's publications since the late 60s are a fucking goldmine

Seems like I'm about to take a deep dive on this

idk your CS/math background but Carl Hewitt's shtick is that his supervisor professors from the AI scene in the 50s were either logicists or connectionists and he started talking to a bunch of sociologists and liberal arts people, ie he swapped Anglo logicism/naturalism for Bruno Latour's sociological theories

my background is logic via bertrand and studying law

ok lmao then this is going to blow your brain

nice to see big brain people in the chat

there's a chapter in there about how legal structures inspired his mode of distributed systems logic

I was gonna bring up that bio backdoor thing up on the sweat but that would have been too harsh of a blackpill

wait so is Godel full of shit

he was an hero

seemed like a sperg

he wasn't wrong his framework was just based mostly on first order theories rather than highr order ones

if you're reading the Hewitt book rn you'll notice the prevalence of Turing's model had a worse impact on the way we think about math/computers than Godel, Hewitt's actor model is a purer formulation of computation than Turing's

this is a bit above my head but maybe I'll give it a read

I bought the amazon copy I'd like to start readin gin hard copy more for my eyez

in short: Turing's model "a computer is anything that can be modeled by an equivalent turing machine which happens to be an infinite tape with memory addresses and mathematical constraints on how it functions according to blah blah principles..." Hewitt's model "a computer is anything that can respond to stimuli, keep memory, and stimulate another computer"

but im gonna save your comments for when it gets here

I'm not actually sure Turing himself made declarations about what a computer "is", but that Turing model is what's been plaguing our CS curricula since Dijkstra and the Unix asshats

Making a sandy with swiss cheese on it

Should i use mustard or mayo

both you goofball

yeah can we go back to shitposting this science stuff makes my head hurt

Both wtf

he's right use both

Okay

what kind of devil worshipper doesnt thinly spread mayo overone slice of bread and then lattice the interior of the sandwhich with mustard

this is the way it has always been done since the duke of sandwhich himself

Okay this might seem weird but i spread the mayo on the cheese single

So the bread doesnt get soggy

It's for work tomorrow

lightly toast the bread

Good suggestion. Toasting now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6pZ6jQiJpI

this movie was in children's psyches leading up to 9/11 what does this mean

It's just same old danny elfman type song

No more harmless imagery than a youtube poop

ytp didn't proliferate until like 07' tho right

You're right. This might have been a little shocking for 2000

if you think necrophilia being normalized is bad now just wait till bringing people back from the dead becomes a san francisco subculture

So like Frankenstein but gay

I wish my gf would let me soak my body in ice water till my body temperature drops and i can pretend like I'm a corpse and she has to have sex with my dead body to revive me back to life

This should be a new pasta

😫 👌

Should i expand on it before pasting it or is it good as is

It's pretty good but the classics are kinda long

tfw thicc eskimo gf

tfw no gf to cook you whale blubber

i think about eating whale almost daily

Are they tasty

i heard its like super tough steak and its best to eat it raw like sushi

I kinda want to try it now

yall ever just want to go outside and eat a frog or rando gutter fish raw

I don't really like frogs guess I'd eat a gutter fish

i wanna restaraunt that's like those rotation sushi bars but instead of a rotary bar its an aquarium with live squid and eels and you just grab em out like a fukken grizzy bear and eat it live with some limes or somethin

very trad

not even an aquarium it needs to be an actual river running through the restaraunt

make a chain of those then make a flagship joint on a repurposed submarine and go out and kill n' grill sperm whales n giant squid n shit

moby dick isn't a novel it's an instruction manual

Well I hope you convince some silicon valley fag to open up Moby Dick's kill n' grills all across North America

fuck the west coast we need to nuke some landlocked states north of Texas into a new harbor / fishin hole

sounds good

@Young Sniff another thing Peterson shills that isn't true is this meme about AI running into limits with rule based systems, or that Expert Systems were failures, they weren't, even the earliest expert systems that had limited inference capabilities were better at diagnosing and proscribing stuff within their domain than actual doctors, expert systems became less popular because professionals started getting spooked by the possibility of their domain becoming less expensive

the terminal systems used by the best high speed traders, all the operations planning tech used by the military, engineering tools used by high complexity critical systems are all expert systems, notice how all the fields where performance compromise due to professional fears of automation can't be tolerated are the ones still using expert systems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu73YaNIikI

@inkwater is that really true about expert systems and doctors

fuck factory workers but don't less us doctors lose our jobs

faggots

@NSJW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycin#Practical_use no one wanted to give away all that info to an automated system for free

"Research conducted at the Stanford Medical School found MYCIN received an acceptability rating of 65% on treatment plan from a panel of eight independent specialists, which was comparable to the 42.5% to 62.5% rating of five faculty members."

for more citation on the performance success check out "Elements of Artificial Intelligence" 1990 Tanimoto and "Principles of AI and Expert Systems" by Rolston

any links for peterson's position on this?

he brings it up in the debate with Dillahunty

also in some other talk on cognition i cant remember

mycin article is very interesting

like I stated in the sweat I'm p sure many forms of AI have actually been widely successful but kept underground for a long time due to economics of security and social concerns

whether thats 50 years or 5000 is anyone's guess

and Mycin type expert systems operate on normie turing hardware not dataflow architectures so the transistor -> computation efficiency we ain't seen nuthin' yet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abductive_logic_programming#Example_3

ty ive saved all these comments for when I get into Hewitt

goddamn that was 40 years ago

what do they have now?

@inkwater are you the guy who mentioned the 500 year old ai

based on what he said I'm guessing yes

but I only watched half the last sweat before it went private so fuck me