It's important to note that societal values operate differently than this thing we call morality. The fact that there's a large vocabulary at your disposal when you're describing something from the perspective of one culture or another should tell us all we would need to know about how the two (morality and culture) differ

@Beemann is Tim's server down for you too?

nope, still showing up there

Oh sorry it just recovered

Weird

Was down for like a minute for me

Discord pulls that shit all the time tbh

hearing that Sargon was nuked off Patreon? That true? Can't find his page...

It's true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2Jmo3m1a0

This is Vee's video on the subject.

Why?

SJWs hate him.

well if they can get Sargon better start a pool on who will be next

Is Pool in the pool?

My money is on Owen Benjamin.

I’d say so.

I started watching a few Owen Benjamin videos lately, I think he must be on top of the list to get kicked!

He left Patreon on his own last year; because he saw this coming, but he still has PayPal.

I expect him to get kicked on all platforms.

we might ironically need Russian or Chinese payment processors to circumvent this leftist tyranny

even porn payment processors won't touch Gab.ai

Maybe we need a western free speech advocate one.

some of the reason why payment processors and banks won't handle some FFL dealers and e-thots has do with a little known US federal law but the name escapes me right now.

Oh. Ok

lemme see if I can find it

Ok. To be fair though, Sargon is not an ethot

"Operation Choke Point"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266396659062145025/520615573168848916/unknown.png

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The general outline is the DOJ and bank regulators are putting the screws to banks and other third-party payment processors to refuse banking services to companies and industries that are deemed to pose a “reputation risk” to the bank. Most controversially, the list of dubious industries is populated by enterprises that are entirely, or at least generally, legal. Tom Blumer’s extremely informative post summarizing what is known to date about Operation Choke Point reproduces the list, which includes things such as ammunition sales, escort services, get-quick-rich schemes, on-line gambling, “racist materials” and payday loans. Quite obviously, some of these things are not like the other; moreover, just because there are some bad apples within a legal industry doesn’t justify effectively destroying a legal industry through secret executive fiat.```

some say Sargon promotes "racist materials"

What garbage reasoning. It’s literally a guilt by association fallacy

when you see that, now you can understand why patreon, paypal and stripe refuse free speech - it presents a "reputational risk"

That’s so dumb.

me? or the law?

Anyways, there is some serious news with OPEC today. They have a greed with non-OPEC nations to cut oil production by 1.2 million gallons per day. That will increase oil prices

The law itself is dumb. Not you

😬

whelp - there you go. they're likely under pressure from the DOJ and that's why we can't have a western solution to the payment processor problem

Opec pisses me off

I seem to recall there being a story about Qatar leaving OPEC recently.

Isn't large scale murder usually a consequence of doing something like that?

hmmm.. apparently it's been ended in Aug '17 but this shit still stinks of it...

Well OPEC has issues....Many times they agree to "cut" production to raise gas prices then turns out later many nation didn't cut hoping the other nations would make the sacrifice..

So what they say and what they do.....can be 2 different things.....

It’s dumb. Opec is another reason I want to drive electric. I don’t want another country to have that much influence over my energy costs.

@Euro looking for a green card I think Owen should be kicked, not because i like to ban anyone off platforms. But because i think he needs to get offline and work on his mental health, but that's just me lol.

The only time OPEC worked together was the 70s now every country in it is very selfish. While Saudi Arabia might want higher gas prices...The lost revenue from slowing production they can't afford right now...Pretty much the same for most of the other members. Besides I think people give OPEC too much credit....

@Shadows I agree, he needs to go do some lumberjack work for a few month and reset his batteries!

I don't want Owen kicked, but someone he trusts needs help him out. And he probably does need a break like you guys are saying.

I don’t listen to Owens videos much. What’s wrong with him? Is he super conspiratorial? I’ve heard he randomly goes off on people

Most might not care, anyone like what Epic Games is doing?

At the very least I hope the competition makes steam get better. otherwise I am not sure.

I don’t play computer games... yet.

Ya, that would be good grant. I had no idea that steam took 30% just to be on their platform.....

@Salacious Swanky Cat We know, you are play violin :)

@Shadows I’d like to try the violin : ). I’m picking my trombone back up though

Yeah, his “trombone” which hasn’t seen proper use in a couple years

Some of us are very careful with our trombones @Deleted User.

@Shadows Beeman is playing the violin

@Shadows I realize, solo artists who hone their craft and perform regular maintenance

im kind of excited for tonight. Last two performances were great! alot of people seem to like it. I am refering to the Christmas Carol that i volunteered to be apart of. Its really fun adn this is my second year doing it!

@Deleted User my slide needs some oil. It’s getting harder to get to 6th position.

@Mystic axe good to hear some improvement mate

@Salacious Swanky Cat that’s what happens when it hasn’t been properly touched in a few years

I have a trigger trombone that gets you there faster.

yeah

Does the trigger help with smoother and more satisfying function?

@Mystic axe hope that goes well!

@Deleted User generally. Some fat lady stepped on it during high school and it doesn’t function at peak performance

I've no idea what we are talking about anymore....... *grins*

@Salacious Swanky Cat ah yeah? Did the fat lady at least sing it a lullaby to comfort it?

I'm sick of the Left acting like Stonewall was an event worth ever mentioning

@Deleted User not exactly. It was during a football game.

Ouch

I see Owen as someone I'd be following 20-30 years from now. Out of all youtubers and podcasts I like I find him pretty cool

I think his being deplatformed has really done a number on him, I think he needs to let go of social media platforms and hit the reset button. Work with what he's got, and just do him

He goes into Alex Jones territory a lot

A big difference is I’m not sure if he’s got a character on or if he’s being serious

Yeah I see a lot of people getting conspiratorial these days

This channel is definitely a staple, I wonder if Daily Wire will remain in 30+ years

Crowder being around is a toss up

Small youtubers could disappear or get bigger

Question is whether we’ll be alive in that time

Interesting stuff coming out of France.....protests continue

but their not that terrible.....I don't see a revolution....Its just thing people in the US never see....Europe strikes and protests more than the US does

well looks like they got worse after I said that....Didn't age well

And it took less than three hours

What Epic is doing is great if you're a game developer.

Although ultimately it feels like the middleware / marketplace is basically a race to the bottom. Neither Epic nor Valve or any other should exist, it should just be some open-source market platform with some type of curation system on the user end

I probably wont use the Epic store because
>tencent

To all of you whom live in the midwestern United states I have a new found respect for your winters that is all

People in the midwestern US, don't even know what winter really means!

There are worst winters out there

Its pretty cold in the midewest during winter, i was just playing. But i have many cold stories that weather doesn't bother me as much.

cue Alliser Thorne speech 'you don't know cold'

Never seen that show, but i say that all the time heh

Where you from

US, michigan.

The closest I’ve come to experiencing a northern winter was this past january