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Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:50:15

and it was volatile by its very nature of being a representative, meritocratic organ of gov't

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:50:34

you could think it was a matter of time before they overthrew an ineffective or unpopular king

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:50:41

but how would you have it any other way?

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:50:53

which episode is this?

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:50:57

the first 15 or so

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:51:18

I think I'll start on it tomorrow

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:51:22

sounds interesting

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:51:51

and a lot more relevant than Roman history

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:52:45

I think roman history is relevant too

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:52:47

in a general sense

shinjitsu 2018-03-15 02:53:18

Not in the sense that you can relate to modern politics though

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:53:21

you begin with a state that had the political strength to survive the loss of 200,000 of its strongest, bravest men

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:53:23

and still come out on top

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:53:54

produce leaders like cincinnatus, construct a navy from scratch, produce an innovative system of gov't that worked for 400 years

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:54:05

not as relevant compared to Revolutions

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:54:10

only to degenerate into nigger tier coups, extralegal exceptions, street fighting, and civil wars

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:54:16

like the podcast lol

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:54:20


Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:54:35

I think it's very relevant given that Rome was a republic for half of its history

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:55:20

and I think that all republics have to deal with authority, distribution of power, constitutionality, and the rise/decline of the institutions over time

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:55:21

Well for sure, the lessons that Rome taught were incredibly important

shinjitsu 2018-03-15 02:55:48

Yeah but the details are nowhere near as important

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:56:12

yeah the details are only there to inspire general theory

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:56:32

But you can say the English Civil War was directly influential to America's founding

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:56:37

but I don't think it makes it any less important if you're really trying to understand politics

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:56:40

oh absolutely

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:56:49

what do you think inspired Locke to write his two treatises of gov't?

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:57:24

people really underestimate how influential locke was to the American colonists, also how disproportionately influential he was

shinjitsu 2018-03-15 02:57:58

That's one thing they get right in school

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:58:02

there was all sorts of thinkers at the time, with all sorts of works of varying popularity circulating the colonies, but for such an age of enlightenment, people weren't really as well read as the period is often portrayed

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:58:35

I remember looking at some primary documents about harvard students in the 1700s

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:58:50

a dorm burned down and the school was filing claims to restore property to the students

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:59:01

so you could see what every student claimed as his property, including the books that they had

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:59:06

lots of bible

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:59:10

lots of random textbooks

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:59:14

some john locke

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:59:23

everything else in very small quantities

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:59:27

honestly, it's kind of like today

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:59:31

in a sense

Deleted User 2018-03-15 02:59:44

though replace the bible with some random social media bullshit or maybe the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy lol

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:00:07

people like james madison, benjamin franklin, alexander hamilton, and james madison were one out of a thousand

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:00:32

You have any book recommendations on European history?

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:00:46

Or should I just get a textbook for something like that?

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:00:55

I have a good recommendation of a "textbook"

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:01:09

Patrick O'Brien's World History Atlas

Thomas 2018-03-15 03:01:17

Alright fellas, what should we set this week's topic for?

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:01:28

Whatever you want

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:02:26

Should we follow a podcast or book?

Thomas 2018-03-15 03:03:41

Alright, because we are Amfirst, we'll do the American Revolutionary War as our very first topic.

The war was between American Rebels, and the British Empire lasting from Apr 19, 1775 – Sep 3, 1783, get to chatting fellas!


Thomas 2018-03-15 03:03:48

Thomas 2018-03-15 03:04:09

Do you think it was more miraculous that America won its independence, or was it inevitable?

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:04:11

Horatio Gates - big gay, or giga faggot?

Thomas 2018-03-15 03:05:19

@Deleted User Don't know enough about the fellow.

Thomas 2018-03-15 03:05:28

Seems like a queer from what little I'm reading of him.

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:05:44

If you looked at the political climate of the time period with the age of enlightenment it wasn't too amazing

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:06:19

But the if it weren't for the Seven Years War it would not have happened

Thomas 2018-03-15 03:06:19

But I mean militarily, do you think it was any amount of difficult or unlikely?

Thomas 2018-03-15 03:06:39

I hold the personal belief that we were very, very fortunate.

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:06:44

Militarily I'd say it was pretty miraculous

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:07:13

yeah which battle was the turning point? Trenton?

Thomas 2018-03-15 03:07:48

I'm not too well versed in specific battle of the revolution. I know quite a few from the civil war,

Thomas 2018-03-15 03:08:01

but I need to brush up on my revolutionary history.

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:08:27

Thankfully we have the History-Server™

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:08:42

I'll read up

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:08:49

But im clocking out fellas

Thomas 2018-03-15 03:09:00


Thomas 2018-03-15 03:09:25

The official slogan of the History-Server™

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:10:16

I'm not sure of the revolution was inevitable--I think that if the British were more open about sharing representation with the United States and allowing more free trade, then the colonies would have eventually fallen in line

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:10:31

The UK gov't was a lot more liberal than, let's say the Spanish gov't

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:10:52

Though if the UK didn't budge in the long-term, the American Revolution would have happened again

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:11:00

If not during the 1770s, then during the Napoleonic Wars

Thomas 2018-03-15 03:11:02

Also, has anyone heard of a hypothesis that the founders also took influence from Pre-Norman England?

Deleted User 2018-03-15 03:11:04

and it could have been far more brutal

Solipsistic Vinarchy 2018-03-15 05:16:28

Washington almost died about 3 times in the Revolutionary War

Based Fed 2018-03-15 05:16:50


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Deleted User 2018-03-15 13:12:27


Deleted User 2018-03-15 13:12:51

Is larping as a continental army soldier good or bad optics

droopyloaf 2018-03-15 16:08:49

larping in general is bad optics

✠ Deus Vult ✠ 2018-03-15 19:47:39

Larping is fine for military reenactments

✠ Deus Vult ✠ 2018-03-15 19:47:52

That's about it

Deleted User 2018-03-15 21:58:00


Deleted User 2018-03-15 21:59:41

when he looks at the bust of pompey

✠ Deus Vult ✠ 2018-03-16 23:33:40


Thomas 2018-03-16 23:34:56

Imagine a government that literally makes it illegal to carry plastic eating utensils in public because they view it as dangerous.

Thomas 2018-03-16 23:35:03

Holy shit I'm so glad we rebelled...

✠ Deus Vult ✠ 2018-03-16 23:38:05

I imagine if we didn't rebel and stuck with the crown there is a fair chance we would be like modern Canada

✠ Deus Vult ✠ 2018-03-16 23:38:09

Maybe worse

✠ Deus Vult ✠ 2018-03-16 23:39:17

Not that our situation is any better

Solipsistic Vinarchy 2018-03-16 23:51:20

we should own canada by now

✠ Deus Vult ✠ 2018-03-16 23:55:50

The Yukon is rightful American clay

Solipsistic Vinarchy 2018-03-17 01:15:08

this is true

✠ Deus Vult ✠ 2018-03-17 16:27:57


Triple Hernan 2018-03-17 18:24:31

daily reminder that the only reason america gained independence was because of the french they so love to berate

BikerBandito 2018-03-17 19:21:36


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Stannum 2018-03-17 22:45:44

Never again lads. We may rib each other about our nations, but at the end of the day we're brothers and everyone else wants us dead. Never again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9g7FvmWDgs

bress222 2018-03-18 04:25:28

fellas my american revolution (((professor))) has made it very clear he is openly liberal. he claims time and time again the revolutionary war was not truly about human rights and breaking from a tyrannical government, rather it was an elite few conspiring against the british so they could maintain their smuggling of goods into the colonies. does he have a point?

bress222 2018-03-18 04:26:07

olive branch petition shows we wanted to be a part of british and a lot of pamphlets that were written were by the elite under the pen name of commoners...

Thomas 2018-03-18 04:56:43

We were an incredibly scarce minority. But your teacher is a faggot, and whatever the reasons we broke away, we did. Fuck the crown, fuck the king, and fuck the loyalists. And y’know what? In spite of being an ideological minority, we still tarred and feathered loyalists from fucking Albany down to the Carolinas.

Thomas 2018-03-18 04:57:53

Yeah, we traded slaves, yeah, we wanted cheaper prices. All of this was within the crown’s abilities to address. And it still fell short. We weren’t about to pay for the economic fuckup of a bunch of barely literate cunts three thousand miles away.

Thomas 2018-03-18 04:58:00

It wasn’t about human fucking rights,

Thomas 2018-03-18 04:59:09

it was about telling a pompous faggot with no true authority over us to go take his undeserved globus cruciger, and shove it clean up his dementia-ridden prematurely senile, barely royal, ASS.

Thomas 2018-03-18 05:01:28

Tell your teacher to grow a sense of pride and a pair of nuts.

Thomas 2018-03-18 06:06:58

Now see, that seems logical, but how in the hell could we discern that for certain? I wish there was some type of hard number we could review and go off of instead of having to resort to multiple different contrasting figures.

Thomas 2018-03-18 06:08:33

It hurts...

Broseph 2018-03-18 18:20:38

I think we need to post about Mike Enoch since he will go down in history as the savior of the white race

Thomas 2018-03-18 19:07:42

Michael “Shark Eyes” Peinovich, God King of The Ethnostate, and Eternal Autarch of Awkwardly Holding Ranch Dressing

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:34:45

American revolution was completely unjustified t b q h

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:35:19

Britain almost bankrupted itself during the 7 years war getting the territory the colonists asked for

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:35:51

and when the tax rate in the colony goes up (still far lower than that in England) to pay off this debt they sperg out and declare independence

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:36:11

granted it all turned out great for the Americans in the end

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:36:24

(they hold world hegemony, foremost power etc)

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:37:11

but the entire revolution was unwarranted

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:37:56


Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:38:38


Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:39:11

American revolution was to protect the liberties against the Westminster absoutism

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:39:25

And the American identity

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:40:03

Americans self-identified as Americans rather than British decades before the revolution

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:41:57

that's a bit of a generalisation, many colonists saw themselves as english transplanted to the Americas

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:42:10

sure some of them adopted a national identity when and after the revolution

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:42:12


Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:42:29

but a lot of them (for example the loyalists who moved to canada) considered themselves british first

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:42:47

after the revolution, loyalists migrated (actually got kicked out) to Canada

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:42:53


Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:43:03

but that was after the revolution took place

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:43:08

this is the conflict of identity

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:43:17

talking about the initial reasons for it

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:43:25

no way than actions of warfare can solve it

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:43:29

it will happen sooner or later

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:43:50

Americans will never be willing to vote for some representatives in Westminster

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:44:42

none of those living in the colonies wanted direct rule, but they were willing to wait for devolved powers to be granted to them

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:45:04

the Canadians, Australians and kiwis got dominion status sometime in the 30s

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:45:17

they didn't use violence to try and take those powers

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:45:48

fair enough, the Americans did

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:45:59

i just don't think it was worth spilling the blood of their fellows over

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:46:11

at first it is quite mild

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:46:23

but all the time things suddenly got heated

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:46:29

like explosion

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:46:42

no one planned a revolution from the beginning

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:46:52

but in the end, it had to be like this

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:47:07

i'd agree with that

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:47:21

the countries under britain's control only remained there for so long as britain had the power to keep them

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:47:40

as soon as british power waned every colony was pushing for independence or more autonomy

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:48:15

it's the fault of the british government for losing the power and influence required to maintain the empire

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:48:42

and another thing

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:49:00

founding fathers may first identify as proud subjects of British crown

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:49:15

but then they realize that the British tradition is corrupted

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-18 20:49:34

so they decide to segregate from that

Triple Hernan 2018-03-18 20:50:26

at least britain and america have remained allies

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:28:49

been listening to the history of rome, fascinating stuff

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:33:23

very frustrating to look our statesmen and politicians today, when compared to even the most mundane leaders from history, no will to truly lead

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:34:03

i think in america this problem stems from our decaying homogeneity

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:35:08

how can you even earnestly lead a country like america and appeal to "the people" when half of them will eventually never agree with the interests of the other

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:38:14

in recent months i have grown further and further anti democracy

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:39:36

i think the most reasonable return into a real republic is to set maybe wealth and military service requirements for voting and serving an office

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:40:18

this wont completely eliminate minority and women voting but will reduce it

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:40:38

a repeal of race/gender suffrage directly would never pass for along time

BottomoftheNinth 2018-03-21 00:47:09

The feasible way to do that is to limit the franchise to taxpayers

BottomoftheNinth 2018-03-21 00:47:19

If you don't pay taxes you don't vote

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:47:44

even that is too broad i think

Deleted User 2018-03-21 00:47:55

are all republics democratic?

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:47:55

maybe certain tax brackets

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:47:58


NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:48:11

democracy =/= republic

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:48:30

republics can have democratic tendencies

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:48:38

but are not truly democratic

Deleted User 2018-03-21 00:49:19


NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:52:17

i think the ideal republic would feature a senate:
consisted of members of the highest class
voted for by the highest class and upper middle class

A sort of tribune of the plebs made up by upper middle class, voted by upper middle class and representatives from the lower classes

Deleted User 2018-03-21 00:52:18

Republic originally meant "a public matter" didn't it? There needs to be some type of democracy so that common people have some power in government

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:52:42

i think that version of the "tribune of the plebs" would have less power than they did in rome

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:53:58

this would limit democratic influence over most things yet still allow all citizens have some stake in the govt

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:54:22

but thats just off the top of my head

Deleted User 2018-03-21 00:54:41

I've been wanting to look into Roman government to learn from their mistakes for a while but haven't gotten into it. I think American government is a fine system we have been decaying as a society

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:55:12

it was fine when we had limited franchisement

Deleted User 2018-03-21 00:55:45

Yeah wasn't it land owning men back at the founding?

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:55:50


NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:57:00

i think in the coming years we will have a crossing the rubicon moment

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:57:11

im not really siege pilled

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:58:31

but i think we will have a sincere leader with Faustian spirit sieze control thorugh a constitutional crisis, not trump though.

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 00:59:04

i think we will lose 2024 then in 2028 we will win and i think thats when it will happen

Deleted User 2018-03-21 01:00:16

Eh I don't see something like that happening imo. It depends on how divided the country is by that point and just how big of a crisis there will be.

Deleted User 2018-03-21 01:00:56

I couldn't see something like that happening given the current lack of interest most have in politics

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:03:40

i dont know, i get kind of blackpilled sometimes about stuff, like how nobody in our government cares at all about us

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:04:41

not one

Deleted User 2018-03-21 01:05:36

same. Fuentes and his America First stuff has been a whitepill for me though. Telling people to go to county GOP meetings, living good lives and starting families is the best way to turn things around.

Deleted User 2018-03-21 01:05:50

If the culture can shift the politics will get better

Deleted User 2018-03-21 01:06:08

Best of all it's a realistic goal

Deleted User 2018-03-21 01:06:29

There's no larpy "rise up!" message

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:07:07

oh and btw all this crossing the rubicon stuff is not good optics, we should n't advocate for it at all, just a prediction about the future

Deleted User 2018-03-21 01:07:51

I gotcha it's not an unreasonable prediction

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:09:28

yeah its not unreasonable to say that our current situation is not tenable, but le read siege is terrible, nobody should want a real civil war

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:09:35

it would not go as you think

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:09:43

we would just get invaded

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:09:52

the end

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:10:33

if one did start then maybe events would transpire as i described as a way to end it as quick as possible

Deleted User 2018-03-21 01:10:58

Even if the balance of power were even it would be horrible

Deleted User 2018-03-21 01:11:43

It may even be worst. If an actual war with modern weapons was waged in America the infrastructure would be destroyed

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:11:54

there would be no balance of power if a real open civil war started russia or china would just invade pretty quickly

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:12:31

oof well we just shitted up history chat

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:12:40

back to history

Deleted User 2018-03-21 01:13:57

Would you have supported Caesar in the civil war with Pompey?

NickTheGreek 2018-03-21 01:14:11


Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-21 01:47:09

The main thing is stop our New Rome sinking to the step that we have to choose between Caesar and Pompey

Huge Brain Oliver 2018-03-21 01:47:32

SPQR is already dead in the era of trilogy

Deleted User 2018-03-21 02:55:57

@Deleted User depends on what you mean democracy

Deleted User 2018-03-21 02:56:14

do you mean very limited suffrage, i.e., only a small portion of the people get to make the decisions?

Deleted User 2018-03-21 03:14:33

I asked the question because I wanted to know if there is a republican form of government without any type suffrage

Deleted User 2018-03-21 03:15:01

Or if all republics have some degree of democracy

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:06

The closest you can get to that is what we originally had.

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:21

White male landowners who had actual stock in the country they were voting to rule.

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:31


Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:37

do what the Holy Roman empire did,

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:43

except on a much larger scale,

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:53

have inheritated positions of power which are capable of voting.

Deleted User 2018-03-21 03:17:17

I'm asking more of a question about definition

Deleted User 2018-03-21 03:17:29

is it possible for a republic to not have suffrage

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:17:42

It is not.

Deleted User 2018-03-21 03:17:45

or would it just be an oligarchy or aristocracy

Deleted User 2018-03-21 03:17:51


Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:08:03

@Hektor#9849 well how do you have a legitimate transition of power

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:08:12

without any form of suffrage or hereditary right

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:08:18

trial by combat

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:08:38

There's a lot of nascent republics that don't have any democracy

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:08:44

but that seems like a transition period

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:09:18

i.e., the English Protectorate, the French Directory

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:09:42

@Hektor and even if the leader isn't elected in a republic, the legislature almost always is

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:09:48

@Hektor#9849 Why can't I ping you?

Deleted User 2018-03-21 08:10:46

Hitler was gay

Bolsonaro 2018-03-21 08:16:57

ur mom gay

Deleted User 2018-03-21 08:50:14

no ur mom and dad gay together

BikerBandito 2018-03-21 11:26:06


BikerBandito 2018-03-21 12:55:05

das right

Deleted User 2018-03-21 18:15:32

@Deleted User Would they even be a republic if there isn't suffrage though? How can government be a public matter if there is no voting?

Deleted User 2018-03-21 18:45:28

There are degrees of publicness and differences in how legitimacy is drawn

Deleted User 2018-03-21 18:45:53

But you're right in that it's very hard to have a republic without a mechanism for public feedback

Deleted User 2018-03-21 18:46:13

The examples I mentioned weren't monarchies

Deleted User 2018-03-21 18:46:28

and relied on an elected legislature while not having an elected executive

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