and separation of Church and state

do you think LGBT education should be allowed in schools?

remember when they pitched a bigass fit over teaching evolution in schools?

yes

idk about you, but blatant denial of science is pretty bad

and its what those Christians were doing

why does evolution matter

I don't care if Mars is real

it has no affect on me

im demonstrating why religion is not superior to lack of religion

wouldnt you care if your children were being taught lies in school?

I mean I don't agree with the current schooling system in my country for a multitude of reasons

or at least kept from the truth?

there is bigger issues than religion being taught in school, and it currently isn't

the various world religions should be taught, but not promoted

unless you count private schools, which I disagree with institutionally

I think we should instead focus more on useful things

you know

math

science

why does science matter

not stupid, primitive superstitions

I haven't learned a single thing in science class

and thats why your a fucking theist!

let me give you a quick science lesson

I'm an agnostic, I believe in religion as an institution, not literally

in science, we make an observation, create a hypothesis, test it and either confirm or-

oh

..

...

I think that everyone should go to mosque or church or whatever state religion is implemented

better idea

we turn them into homeless shelters

because it will help people be moral, and it will help them build a sense of community

you know, things that can actually help people

I personally was helped by my church

you are literally advocating for deluding people

would you rather tell people nice lies or tell them the cruel truth

i think the state needs to seize all religious property and repurpouse it

alright its sleep time

so uh

night

lel what timezone are you in

Theologically checked state, ergo state and church are seemingly seperate however the church has the power to publicly criticize and with great weight, the state, keeping the state in check

also religious society > atheist society (since atheists just often off themselves... and are dying off...)

also the absolute misunderstanding of history and science is baffling

fedora tier

That meme is fucking ridiculous and you know it is

You guys regularly jack off to Rome

And Rome wasn't Christian for a very long time

Christianity has fucking nothing to do with the advancement of Western society

I would argue that Abrahamic religions have massively restricted social progress in all directions

@Bogatyr Bogumir who is misunderstanding science and history lmfao

Rome wasnt christian and christianity wasnt stifling science nor was it at odds with science almost at all, in fact it was a rather large supporter of science, coming into conflict rather rarely. The relationship can be said "its compliated" but it didnt hold anything back rather it held things together.

hell look at secular society and tell me its better than christian society. Secular society has been alive for at most, 100 years and its already imploding.

there is a rather well read atheist historian that even goes after this narrative of "the church held us all back then the enlightenment saved s and suddenly SCIENCE"

When medieval europe was in fact advancing at a startling pace albeit supposed christian oppression

idk man the secular United States is looking a lot better than the theocracies of the middle east

I actually gave you examples of religion holding science back

evolution

is one of them

@Bogatyr Bogumir and don't even get me started on the conflict between religion and the scientific method

@Riley You realize fundumentalism is not the entirety of christianity? And never really was the mainstream of christianity?

Also the US is falling apart lol. Islam has survived with its societies some 800+ years, meanwhile the US and the west in large is literally falling apart.

Also you dont realize that religion was never anti science, this was not the case historically at all

do I really need to go over how religion is not scientific again?

I dont think you realize thats not what I am actually arguing

btw, most middle eastern countries were established in the 1900s

most modern ones that is

middle eastern and north african

Still that doesnt counter the fact that religous societies have existed for millenia in stability, as in social stability and the capacity to withstand pressures and not implode

meanwhile providing also meaningful scientific advancement (europe is a prime example of this)

I mean secular countries have done literally the same

even atheistic countries

There is nothing about religion or has been that has stifled, especially in europe, scientific advancement.

And secular countries are imploding

no secular nation is imploding

atheistic countries are imploding as well.

nor can you demonstrate how secularism alone is the cause of this "implosion"

-> looks at demographics and the entire west"

-> realizes islam is taking over

oof

OH MY GOD A FEW EUROPEAN NATIONS HAVE 1% MUSLIM POPULATION HOLY SHIT EUROPE ISMUSLIM NOW

(or other religiously focused groups)

OH MY GOD

lol

THEY ARE LITERALLY TAKINGOVER THE WORLD

you know im right

secular society simply cannot compete with them

hence they get replaced

oh yea the western nations cannot compete with uhh

Syria

Saudi Arabia

Iran

societies that have not socially progressed past 500 AD

Meanwhile iran has been analyzed to be capable to defeat the USA in war

kek

their societies are better

they wont die out

literally we see replacement of secular peoples

and who analyzed this?

y religious ones

a top military general of the US, Iran isnt really technologically backwards their investemnet into science and development is huge

they are publishing research papers at a staggering rate its insane

Iran is a unique case however since its not arabic culture, they are persian after all and so have a veryd different development compared to the typical arab country