would you rather tell people nice lies or tell them the cruel truth

i think the state needs to seize all religious property and repurpouse it

alright its sleep time

so uh

night

lel what timezone are you in

Theologically checked state, ergo state and church are seemingly seperate however the church has the power to publicly criticize and with great weight, the state, keeping the state in check

also religious society > atheist society (since atheists just often off themselves... and are dying off...)

also the absolute misunderstanding of history and science is baffling

fedora tier

That meme is fucking ridiculous and you know it is

You guys regularly jack off to Rome

And Rome wasn't Christian for a very long time

Christianity has fucking nothing to do with the advancement of Western society

I would argue that Abrahamic religions have massively restricted social progress in all directions

@Bogatyr Bogumir who is misunderstanding science and history lmfao

Rome wasnt christian and christianity wasnt stifling science nor was it at odds with science almost at all, in fact it was a rather large supporter of science, coming into conflict rather rarely. The relationship can be said "its compliated" but it didnt hold anything back rather it held things together.

hell look at secular society and tell me its better than christian society. Secular society has been alive for at most, 100 years and its already imploding.

there is a rather well read atheist historian that even goes after this narrative of "the church held us all back then the enlightenment saved s and suddenly SCIENCE"

When medieval europe was in fact advancing at a startling pace albeit supposed christian oppression

idk man the secular United States is looking a lot better than the theocracies of the middle east

I actually gave you examples of religion holding science back

evolution

is one of them

@Bogatyr Bogumir and don't even get me started on the conflict between religion and the scientific method

@Riley You realize fundumentalism is not the entirety of christianity? And never really was the mainstream of christianity?

Also the US is falling apart lol. Islam has survived with its societies some 800+ years, meanwhile the US and the west in large is literally falling apart.

Also you dont realize that religion was never anti science, this was not the case historically at all

do I really need to go over how religion is not scientific again?

I dont think you realize thats not what I am actually arguing

btw, most middle eastern countries were established in the 1900s

most modern ones that is

middle eastern and north african

Still that doesnt counter the fact that religous societies have existed for millenia in stability, as in social stability and the capacity to withstand pressures and not implode

meanwhile providing also meaningful scientific advancement (europe is a prime example of this)

I mean secular countries have done literally the same

even atheistic countries

There is nothing about religion or has been that has stifled, especially in europe, scientific advancement.

And secular countries are imploding

no secular nation is imploding

atheistic countries are imploding as well.

nor can you demonstrate how secularism alone is the cause of this "implosion"

-> looks at demographics and the entire west"

-> realizes islam is taking over

oof

OH MY GOD A FEW EUROPEAN NATIONS HAVE 1% MUSLIM POPULATION HOLY SHIT EUROPE ISMUSLIM NOW