And not fluctuating oil

Or any other cause

Erm...

...timing?

That’s one

That’s not an opinion to be disagreed with, it’s a fact that Venezuela started being over reliant on oil a solid 30 years before the socialist government took power @Attika

Ever hear that correlation does not equal causation?

The crisis was doomed to happen

And when the socialist government took over they collapsed?

They were going to collapse anyway

I disagree.

The Venezuelan economy also suffered in the 1980’s

Seems like it was inevitable

Under a capitalist government

It was inevitable

In fact the charts showed Venezuela was growing.

So tell me how government intervention in the economy is a good thing?

When Chavez first took power Venezuela was literally just walking out of a financial crisis

Because speaking from personal experience.

Government intervention destroys lives.

You’re not Venezuelan so you’re not speaking from personal experience

?

What?

You said you were speaking from personal experience

I am

You don’t know what caused the Venezuela crisis though

It wasn’t government intervention in the economy

I wasn’t talking about Venezuela.

You just were

I was talking about government intervention in the economy.

You were talking about how government intervention destroyed Venezuela

I was explaining how you are wrong

I had moved on.

Scroll up.

That’s quite abrupt

Anyway, what’s your next point

I have had personal experience where socialist policies destroy lives and force people to become slaves of the state where capitalism frees them. So please explain how government intervention in the economy is a good thing.

What experience

And tell me how “socialist policies” caused it

As I said...

I run and own a corporation.

And what happened

Dealing in real estate and low income housing.

And how did socialism cause it

Ok so you live in America right?

I do

As do I

Simple. There was this girl who rented from us, she was a nice young thing who actually began to work for us. She didn’t take any benefits and so she worked hard on a couple jobs, made some good investments and actually got a good job and began to make her way in life. Then there was an accident and she got let go at her job. Her sister told her it would be a great idea to go on welfare and food stamps. And so she did. Even when another company offered her a better job she turned it down because although she makes less, she can just claim unemployment, HUD and welfare from the government. You’re Prime socialism.

That’s not a socialism problem, that’s an American problem

🤦🏼‍♂️

Your people are absolutely degenerate

America is not socialist lol

That’s socialism in America

They have no honor

Hey.

You’re talking to an American.

Welfare should only be available for those who are unable to work or find work

That’s not a problem with socialism

Okay.

That’s a problem with your culture

I can agree with that.

And what are you?

British?

No

I’m a Bolivian-American who still has the honor that your ancestors did

lol

Are you saying I’m without honor?

I don’t know you

But that woman you mention has none

It wouldn’t conflict with socialism to cut her off

She did have honor.

From welfare

So you are not full socialist I take it.

I am

But it doesn’t contradict full socialism to only provide welfare to people who deserve it

Like old people or people who are unable to find work

So do you believe the government should run the economy?

I am also a socialist who would refuse aid to those able but unwilling to contribute

No I believe workers should for the most part

How so?

Things should be nationalized though

Not a socialist
but I agree with the socialists

Workers should be supported by the state

How could workers run the economy?

By controlling their workplaces

Leeches should be left to starve if they would like to not work

You need businessmen to direct them.

There are co-ops without bosses that exist that are succsssful

Successful

But that's the exception, not the rule

You’re talking about a co-op

That’s an exception.

It’s not an exception, it’s just rare because there aren’t many co-ops

A lot of co-ops are family or friends working together.

That’s exception

Co-ops in this sense are coworkers working together

Here is my problem.

I’ve worked my ass off to get where I am in life and so did my parents to give me a head start.

The business myself and my family built is built on my blood sweat and tears of my life

Small businesses should be allowed to exist