And you said Israel is responsible for the refugee crisis

Had Israel never existed

Neither would the refugee crisis

British empire makes modern middle east and israel -> israel immediately starts operations to expand -> arabs hate jews already and view palestine as a islamic holy land, now in the hands of infidels and westerners -> arabs begin a campaign against israel -> israel wins 6 day war -> causing a long and destructive line of wars and conflict caused by israel and its european/american puppets

nuance and a knowledge of history are required

weve been in the middle east for oil and israel since the 80s and 90s

no the fact that israel exists had nothing to do with the crisis, operations by the us and israel caused the crisism it has literally nothing to do with britain

how did israel get formed

lmao
it was largely due to british policy

by the balfor declaration

which was written by the british

israel exists due to the british

right, so in your mind the american revolution caused the demographic displacement in the united states? @Veraien

and israel has conducted a campaign of war and conflict onto the middle east which is further elevated by the borders or country's also created by the british

yes

every event in history

has a reason for it

things do not spring from nothing

the easiest example is ww2

youre incapable of reasoning
in what way is the american revolution responsible for the browning of america?

ww2 happened because of the treaty of versatile crippled Germany, because they lost the war and the french wanted revenge for the war of 1871

thats historical determinism tbh

not really that sound

cause and effect my dude

lmao

you havent established a causal relationship
only correlation

when an event happens those events cause reactions which in turn cause other events to happen as a result

its not that hard of a concept to understand

its a common thing in history

events are decades in the making due to smaller events that take place

like wars

the causes for wars can span decades

not just in the build up period

your blatantly refusing to acknowledge your country's failings and errors

what you have established is a correlation between israel existing and israel conducting a certain amount of operations
there is no sound way that you can argue that britain is responsible for these operations

because the situation in the middle east would never have happened if the british did not support the forming of israel and honoured their pacts with their colonial holdings in the middle east

historical determinism[2]

britian is not responsible for israeli intelligence directly

but indirectly

this is faulty logic

israeli intelligence cannot exist without israel which was formed by the british

Arguably the british are responsible

how can you not see this

They started the importation of slaves in America

with the help of jewish slave traders as well

no, i can see that israel exists in part because of british policy
there is no causal relation between the establishment of israel and these particular operations

British actions in africa and india led to them migrating to America

So yeah, arguably the british are still responsible

there is no casual relationship between israel and israeli intelligence along with the CIA artifically starting conflicts in the middle east to destabilize and weaken the surrounding areas?

which was created at the behest of Britian?

none

at all

really?

yes

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oh my god

this is your brain on fish and chips

you have established correlation, not causation
you believe in historical determinism, which is wrong, so you think the relationship is causal

do you not believe in cause and effect

do eventsin history just happen

i dont believe in historical determinism no

with no underlying factors or basis behind them

no underlying cause

things just happen

this is a strawman argument

could mossad exist if israel did not

i didnt say that

yes

or no

right
lemme try and break it down
does israel exist? @Veraien

It shouldnt but it does

israel exists due to the balfor declaration drawn up by British officals

like me and Asdrubal have stated

right, does israel do things that cause the refugee crisis?

without that betrayal of their former colonial holdings, there would be no reason to create conflict in that area

yes they do all the time

as well as the CIA in america

intelligence agencys conduct operations daily in the ME and NA

in what way did the balfour declaration cause these bad things to happen?

Israel exists (after its formation that was supported by the british) because of the British dividing the arabs states, instead of forming one United Arab nation, hence making them weaker in conflicts where Israel was supposed to be destroyed

in what way does the mere existence of israel cause the refugee crisis?

Mossad cant exist without Israel

operations conducted by the CIA/Mossad have created wars in the ME and North Africa

The Israeli lobby in Congress is why the CIA is even there in the first place

I dont need to remind you who created Israel

ok
thats a correlation and historical determinism but also there is no way in which there is a causal relation between those things

Libya was a bulwark against african imigration into europe, Iraq and afganistan because they did not want to bow to american dominance as well has funding islamic groups against israel

and now Iran and syria because they do not like Israel and wish for its destruction

they were all threats to israel

and they got destroyed

or will be in the case of iran

this is unironically believing that guns cause murder

why bring up something complelty unrelated

do you deny that israeli operations have caused conflict

do you deny that people have been killed with guns?

and that the reason those operations could take place is because they had a centralized area to act as a headquarters aka Israel

people have been killed with guns, mostly gang related incidents so i dont care

the next highest is suicide

also dont care

and that the reason that they could kill with guns is because guns exist