And time

well no the atom is the smallest unit of matter because a unit ascribes measurable qualities

you cannot measure the subatomic

completely

Wrong

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You can by shooting beams of light into it

you can measure indivual qualities but not all at once

That’s partially true but you can say the same for an atom

well i guess you can measure protons and netrons

Though the uncertainty principle makes it a range

but for all intents and purposes the atom is the smallest relvant unit

Relevant for what

It's not really relevant to the topic that started this convo

True

theres a pretty interesting podcast on the subatomic world from this guy called "talk to a spaceman" called "the particle zoo" that talks about the subatomic particles

like 20 min

That stuff is pretty cool

I think alphonsus left 😦

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very digestable

@Alphonsus

the guy has got a gay voice, but to just get the content, its not bad, my dad introduced me to it and ive been listening recently

Originally this was about the aristotelian proof for the existence of god that Aquinas wrote about

oof lol

cool

where was the disagreeance is there a pagan in here?

or some ugly atheist

And we reached a point where I didn't find it convincing because to me it's also plausible that things can have an infinite series of causes whether it's linear in time or sustaining, hierarchical causes

I don’t think there was any disagreement just talking about how infinities can be applied to the world

Fuckin nerds

I am still here, reading it, doing some other research. I like the subject, it just isn't my strong area.

hierarchical causes refer for example to how my keyboard is able to be 3 feet off of the ground because it's held up by the table which is held up in turn by the floor etc

Son of a Banker is an atheist, however.

Right

I'm an atheist with the honest desire to learn otherwise

Yeah but that goes back to Aquinas argument from motion banker

He deals with that

my dick is held up by an ethot held up by her knees, held up by the floor, held up by the foundation etc etc

There's a few arguments that I believe rely on the principle that firstly everything has a cause and that there cannot be an infinite regress of causes

Yeah the unmoved mover

Argument from first cause etc whatever people call it

So what I'm having trouble with here is understanding why there can't be an infinite regress of causes

epic, why does an atheist pay piggy to nick, a catholic, thats kinda cucked

Cause nick is an intellectual beast

Get the book “shorter summa” by aquinas

yeah! convert! pagan!

He tries to deal with that in the first page. Idt you will agree with his argument though

I'm a willing convertee, but I'm not going to lie to myself that I'm convinced of a god

Sure, I'll check it out

The problem with the original Summa for me is mainly the old world kind of language

Hard to understand

If someone were to put it in modern terms it would be much easier to get

It's an acquired taste, for sure.

one of the biggest things for me is the old testament prophesies, there were many many prophesies prophesying the arrival of the ultimate homie, jesus christ, and the odds of them all coming true is like a billion in 1 or something

@TastefulH8r

i dont think you'll find the argument convincing tbh. and the entire rest of the book relies on that

but shorter summa is totally in modern language

Okay

hmm i might pick that up for my own reading

its good, like 370 pages

i havent read it all though

Firstly, that does sound appealing and this one page seems to be written in a much more understandable way than much of what I read in the summa

But I fail to understand the analogy of the instrument

yeah he wrote this right before he died

peter kreeft?

?

peter kreeft wrote it before he died?

no aquinas wrote it

oh I see

I thought you were referring to the shorter summa

wife beater undershirt nationalism

yeah i am, that was written by aquinas

Aquinas wrote a shorter summarized version of his own book?

Did you just say Kreeft died, lol?

yup he summarized his own book

someone asked him to because not everyone was going to be able to get through

What a bro

The dumb ox knew what other dumb oxes needed.

lool its true

Im going to kill myself if this message doesnt send

So what does the analogy of the instruments mean?

Okay epic

so joe left, eh?

Uhh i dont know

Why does matter and energy have any distinction between an instrument and a mover?

he did

LOL HE DID

He'd rather chill with the people who got banned in the banned server

what server

lmao very gay

The banned server <:GWfroggerHyperXD:399972553524903938>

I don't know if it's supposed to be secret or anything

Lol im in it with a sock account

<:smug:402400327313391616>

So you know that there's a channel dedicated to shitting on you there?

<:GWfroggerHyperXD:399972553524903938>

why are they so salty at you hiding?

@Punished Scaredd

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