Just recall tho

but i'll beleive it when i see it

With current energy density

There is already risk for fire

The more density

kiddie engineers these days are good at hype and not so good at bringing that hype to market

The more flames

lol

see we make huge SUVs and drive them then make them EV and claim we support the environment

So if u had the energy density of gasoline

yeah, we can't have EV that blow sky high when in an acciddent

You'd get the fire intensity of gasoline

teslas catch on fire a tiny fraction as often as ICE cars. think about it. they run on highly flammable liquid

even though the technology of engines have improved consumption is still the same

True

I'm just sayin

energy density or convience of recharge

@Vindi maybe because there are more ICE cars than Teslas

When ppl want for higher density batteries in general

if every parking spot had an i nductive charger

no the rate of them

They best be careful for what they wish for

per car

not total

it wouldn't be a big deal for energy density

think about it right, how flammable is gasoline? extremely

You know what I dont understand right.. You guys know about the fucking ice cream licking bs?

Yes

where is it? in all the cars, in all the gas stations, in the engine, the fuel lines, etc

that ice cream shit just makes me angry

some people's kids

lol, there was this guy who posted in a newspaper comment section on his tesla "huge repair"

Why is it everything else needs to have the lid sealed by shrink wrap by law but ice cream doesnt?!

Give som1 aids from that in Cali, u get slap on the wrist

50k NOK, so like 6000 USD

ICE vehicles don't tend to *explode* though.

yeah

^^

teslas go out violently

yeah and my volvo needed a single door handle and the dealer quoted me $1000

No

not exaggerating

energy density is high but volatility is low

Tesla's go out less violently than gas

@Vindi thats odd, do you have a new volvo

hard to acheive that in the EV realm

2012

And go out less frequently

ah

i have a 1994 volvo

could literally get a handle for 10$

well it has a keyless drive antenna in it

For fuckin real. Why doesnt ice cream have a seal

modern cars have too much stupid tech

so you can't even DIY

Idk

needs programming and all that bullshit

Classical feel?

ye olde riot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwugYcWF378

but like i said if you could charge the vehicles without thiniking about it like using inductinve chargers in parking spots and even under highways

ive done most repairs on my car myself

then your energy density wouldn't need to be much higher

No

I recall hearing a dealer lot of EV that got hit by a hurricane amd all of 'em popped.

you plug your car in at home, so every journey you leave with a full charge

norway fucking hates cars so its hard to keep it, so repairing it myself has saved me a shitton

Inductive chargers are very inefficient

who the fuck wants to go to a gas station?

And will produce a lot of runaway radiation

i do

pluggin in i s ahassle

lol pugging in is a hassle?

and you are limited to the radius from your home

Plugging it in when you're leaving it for hours?

do you plug in your laptop?

The perception of EV popping less is the result of there being less EV than ICE on the road.

i drove a Kia Soul once, it was gay

Also

no soul

no passion

just a box on 4 wheels

Electric roadways is a ridiculous idea on so many levels

just take the train nigger

but having the car charge while parked at the mall via the inductinve charger under the parking spot?

no EVs catch on fire less as a percentage of the cars. as in they are less likely than ICE cars to do it by like 10 times

Why

that would be different

You're suffering much more inefficiency

as if you need to charge at the mall, unless you're going 200 miles to shop

teleporter from the fly when?

Just because you dont want to plug it in?

@Vindi new ICE cars or in general

all

also EVs violate the KISS principle

exactly

And thus wasting *far* more time overall?

EVs are FAR simpler than ICE cars

wait till EVs get 20-30 years old

ICE cars have had literally a century of R&D

not really. the power electronics aren't

Actually.. so do EVs...

No

they are far more tempermental

yeah

not as much tho

what's so fancy? there's a ton of batteries, an eletric motor

the end

and the ICE vechiles don't need everything to work right for the engine to run

Battery tech hasn't progressed much in the past two decades

come on, an ICE engine is FAR more complex than an EV drivetrain

especially diesels

but EVs have had an R&D push from battery tech for 300 years

battery tech isnt new

but Electric cars are all or nothing

dates back to Volta

And electronics are *automatically* more complex than mechanical.

EVs haven't directly had much R&D at all, it's just been a waiting game until battery technology was good enough

Battery tech is in need of a lot of innovation

batteries are one thing

yeah digital displays go to shit much quicker than analog ones

@Krisemann it's new compared to other stuff :3

electronics are another animal

especially power electronics

@Jack of Trades lithium ion has been around since the 90s

Just because you cannot see the complexity with your naked eye does not mean it's less complicated.

which you need for electric motor control

yeah I mean it's complex the way your computer power supply is complex

both ICE and EV today uses advanced computers

@Laucivol it has far fewer points of failure, for certain

which is to say, very

but ICE engines have had hundreds of billions of R&D

Uhh

a modern ICE engine is insanely more advanced than even 10-20-30 years ago

A bit more complex

as an electrcical engineer that worked with power electronicsd for over a decade, trust me that shit fails far more often

Than ur PCs PSU

yeah

but ICE cars fail too remember

nah, LOT more complicated than a regulated DC supply in your PC

Yeah

rectifiers are easy

Teslas are good at racking up a lot of miles but I think time deteroriates the battery much more

yes, granted it's complex

inverters are hard

but so are ICE cars, and in a different way

My Volvo has 309k km at it atm

nioc

There are teslas with 500k+ miles

If I replace all rubber seals in the engine now, it'll live to 700k km

At least

think there's some with a million?

400k miles is what ive heard

nah, ICE components are consistent with changes in temperature

I only see the "simplicity" of Teslas in the sense that it is more solid-state and has fewer points of failure

Not necessarily in overall design

ICE components also don't care about moisture

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-quality-durability-on-display-in-450k-mile-car-still-going-strong/

The longest lived car on earth is a Volvo tho

electronic do

5 million km

I forget

What battery tech did Teslas use again?

Before the engine fell apart due to metal fatigue

Sulfur?

Fucking metal fatigue, man

A Volvo P1800, outlived the owner who bought it in his 20s I think?

you also have to consider that anyone with a telsa isn't driving it like a deleivery boy

teslas use some custom nickel cobalt lithium ion chemistry

they baby those cars

Ah

Volvo used to be hood

Good

I havent heard of those

Must explain their endurance

Then Ford and Geely got their hands on it

so you can't judge what the reliablity factor is

I *love* my 2012 Volvo S60 T6 Polestar

but man oh man, I want a tesla

Polestar is haram

Volvo were the ones cheating the emmissions tests, right?

I will say one thing for tesla, they learned from the Lexus service model

VW

no that was VW

>volvos after 2000

Oh ok

Volvo is chinese owned now so gg

Customer Service usually beats technical quality

Yeah Volvo is shit

Most brands are shit nowadays

Mazda at least does something well for ICE with HCCI

Mercedes still going strong, relatively at least

mercedes losing money hand over fist

well, in my view anything without a carbarator is 'shit'

RCCI would fuck over EVs

also just issued a new profit warning

Mercedes is trash

or rather, let me clarify, their profit is dropping like a rock

W124 era is over

Carbarator is all that will function if there an EMP

Why dont we have a dab emoji smh

fuel injection electronics will all fry

@Vindi i guess youre norwegian as well, EV insurance just doubled here btw

@Coolitic here

No

Stop

nope, Australian

It hurts

oh

lmfao

2k is watching from the sidelines

Judging, silently

well anyway, insurance companies here want double the money for your tesla now

Meanwhile he plots his revenge

https://imgur.com/gallery/wueHNy5

we can all relate

To reclaim honor for the Turks

because they make up 50% more accidents

than ICE

mfw

probably because they're fun as fuck and bought by enthusiasts

also absurdly powerful

aint a fucking turk btw

enthusiasts, lol

yeah, well that is like the problems the toyota's had with their hybridss

not here

I'd like to see the rate of accidents for AMG mercedes or M series BMWs

electronic brakes kept locking

my volvo costs $1500 to insure

theyre bought by people who want free toll road passings here

3 litre turbo charged? bad bad bad!

yup

lol

mines 2.5L but still like 60$ a month

lol

well it's a risk pool right

i dont have theft insurance tho cause meh

I have comprehensive insurance

its an old box, bought it for 910$

could also be why it's cheap to insure