So why waste time on it now?

Exactly. Get to work you fucking reprobates.

shut up and calculate!

This planet's only got a few million more years if we don't fuck it up ourselves

Which is the momentary- at least- use of religous dogma.

Because "we need to work around a heat death that's eons away" isn't quite enough for the everyman why.

Why? Fuck if I know, get back to work.

Big Why is the big gay, find your own why's for the day to day and you'll live

Kinda busy putting food on *my* table kthxbye.

So, for the big why, God is sufficient.

I don't see why you can't just do away with the god

Kind of like how I treat a true or false trivia question I don't know the answer to. I just say "sure why not" and move on.

Motivation.

Gotta be careful with the baseline of motivation. That's been a major use of theistic religion to date. Military recruitment.

See Soviet Russia for an example of man removed from said motivation.

find your own, with everything there is in the world I don't see the need for an extra-terrestrial force when you can move yourself for your family, your house, your living standards

Soviet Russia also removed the motivation of success

Yeah, *I'm* good for finding my own.

*You* might be, too.. but the everyman?

The Soviet Union didn't care for any motivation outside of negative motivation by saying people were bad because they didn't pay into the "greater good"

Less motivation and more threat

That's the think, what'd ya replace God with?

The State? Communism.

Nothing. And I mean that literally. I would replace god with a nonexistence.

Capitalism

Actually

Okay, so why bother with anything? @Lios

What greater motivation than the concept that _we're all going to fucking die_

Hedonism. @Muten

New Game Plus, baby. The only thing truly keeping me from being a total nihilistic misanthrope, and I'm the only one who believes in it

I didn't really think that through

My god is sapient life itself.

So far it's proven inadequate for the masses and generates IDPol.

Materialism has a pretty solid footing, especially when you are getting stabbed in the back

I've sortof gone down a path and now I'm realising this is not where I wanted to go

(Clarification: Hedonism is the extreme of Capitalism.)

Yeah yeah

I can put that together

Well, one of the extremes

Every baseline has one

Or multiple

True, but it's the easy extreme at hand.

I'm Capitalistic in bend, myself, but I'd be blind to miss that one.

yeah that's sortof where I was going with that and it's not really what I'd like

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NearFewAurochs-max-1mb.gif

That's the problem when thinking through the matter logically where I go, "Ah, damnit."

Yeah

The logical trend of, "Okay, if we assume that God *is not*..." compared to "If we assume that God *is*"

Which was part of what Nietzsche tackled.

If we assume that God _is not_ then we continue as normal.
If we assume that God _is_ then we continue as normal.

Nietzsche was big gay

Because that fucker clearly ain't interacting with us

Yeah that was my point

@Swedishmafia101 RECANT YOUR STATEMENT, HERETIC

but the masses is the key point I wasn't thinking of

*Except* if we assume that God *is not* the answer of *why* is unfulfilled.

@Lios Durkheim will floss on you

And *I* am fine with that

Yeah, and the the massess fail hard without a decent why.

What, no, that's unsanitary

Isn't flossing really good for your teeth?

I've heard both at this point. XD

I'm 'Merican I care not for Chink Social(ist) Credits.

Flossing is quite good, but not if you're going around trusting some non-sanitizied rando to do it.

apparently I'm merican too

But the question of why doesn't always have to have a fulfillment.

Not the big why no

Take the scientific approach. They have an answer to the why which satisfies them

"We don't know"

But the thing is that the masses can't handle without the big why

For the scientific approach, that's a goal

Not adequate. @Lios

Ah, but it's motivation

Try to know

@Laucivol for most people

If we do not know, we should try to know.

Right, and that's a goodly portion of my argument. @Muten

If you don't do that, the scientific basis goes nowhere, ever.

Yeah and to that I 100% agree

And, so, with the (fair) assumption, that my audience is the general population I argue for Theism.

TBH i WOULD ACTUALLY AGREE

WTF

I swear caps turns itself on

Ya knocked your caps, demerit

@juts kill nme uh are you ok?

no

Oh hey, it's Jack

@JackH670 remoe jack of trades from cells

he's destroying my dms

You're just not a fan of horses

Kek

@Lios true

And, as I'm honest, I believe in Christianity as A) it's what I know from my rearing B) The core tenets are agreeable C) Perseverance under persecution

Jack, give me the power to cell people so that I can clean up this server

>or perseverance by persecution

ye

Ban NinjaQuick and Coolitic for one