It's a waste of time becasue it's wrong

Nah.

You have to go through a bunch of *wrong* to get to *right*.

Even so, such things *could* be right.

@Laucivol if you mean yes i'm stuck in here with you well yes and no

You're stuck in here with me also

But you can't ever know that

You literally can't know unless something tells you it's so and even then

they might be lying or wrong themselves

Ergo discussion!

I find it meaningless

why would something telling you make you know?

for my previous reasons

Sometimes the circling is worth it.

@juts kill nme Well how else would you know?

Or, you might, somehow, be able to verify it for yourself, through some future discovery we know nothing of at the moment.

i mean it may make you know , but i like u said it doesn't have to make you "know"

"Vanity of vanities, all is vanity."

You can't find why like that, that's not how logic works @Scale_e

you have to discover for yourself

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Anyone know what that quote is from?

sounds like shakespear

Much older than Shakespeare.

some greek faggot

I think it might be okder than that

ok where is it from big brain

Ecclesiastes!

Who?

Written by Solomon aka The Preacher.

I meant who were the ecclesiastes?

i like the Vedas, Hindu, Greek, Buddhist , mostly for how they interpret the universe, consciousness, individuality

Also, "Everything has a season [...]"

It's all about what you like

it's never about what is true

It's a book in the Bible.

oooh

but what you like should not just be something you accept, it should be something to push you to understand yourself

Sorry I don't know much about religion

A long time ago, folks thought the moon was made of cheese. You could tell them “Nah, dude. It’s rocks.” Or you could say “Yeah, for sure dude, probably mozzarella, I reckon.”
They couldn’t know.
They had absolutely no way of knowing.
Even if god came down from the heavens and said “Bruh, it’s rocks. Swear to me, fo shizzle my nizzle.” You don’t know if they’re lying or not.

We have rockets now.

The moon is rocks.

It’s the same with literally every assumption we have about the universe. We have no way of knowing about a whole bunch of stuff right now.
That will change. We don’t know how it will change. But, in the future, we will *know*.
That’s the “why”.

Nah, no worries @Muten

@Scale_e No it's literally not

godless yank

There is not "Why" in that story

that's all just finding out what and how

And that’s why.

How is "what and How" = "why"?

*If* it's enough to persue the why, it is fair enough.

For *most* it isn't.

Yeah but you can't know enough, atleast for now, to even guess at why

the scientific approach to 'what, how and why' may end in a loop

And you'll never know

Once you know the what and the how and the when and The Who and the everything else, you’ll *have* the why.

unless again something or someone tells you

You can’t get to the big “why” without the other stuff.

Nah, resting on one's laurels isn't adequate.

The "Who" is a historical thing

we don't even know if there is a who in the universe

The Who is a band

Ahh, this os where Faith comes in. @Scale_e

Mediocre at their best

so again you can't get why

Don;t get me wrong , i'm not saying science should be halted

Re: why without the other stuff.

Nor am I.

Faith need not be limited to the religious.

You see this is my problem

but i think there should be specific and worthy reasons to push the limits in certain areas

Science is of great value.

Faith is belief without proof.

it's the whole making faith based assumptions

it's just waste imho

Science is impossible without faith.

Well it's a controlled amount of faith

Eh, but Science is rife with faith based assumptions.

if there's too much it's not going to go anywhere

if there's not enough you don't get anywhere

Of course. You hypothesize.
Then you test.

Controlled, that's an interesting thought.

You don't go with "I think this is true, therefore it's true"

In the hypothetical stage, you’re operating on faith.

That's the problem I have with faith

The complete disregard of proper evidence based thinking

Faith is not “I believe this is true, so it’s true”
Faith is merely “I believe this is true”

Honest faith isn't even "I think this is true, therefore it is."

And not using the scientific method

I mean, if you need to smash something to discover the how and the why, all for some physical quest of self discovery, well i dunno, maybe im just paranoid

@Scale_e I'm just trying to make a point sorry for not using the proper terms

I'm just using what I can

Nah, all we can do is humbly approach the Alter.

Why is literally "I think it's true, therefore it is" in 90% of the cases

That’s bad science.

I would say 100% because you can't know why and people don't seem to understand that

Realizing that we cannot comprehend all of the answers.

*The popular stereotype of the researcher is that of a skeptic and a pessimist. Nothing could be further from the truth! Scientists must be optimists at heart, in order to block out the incessant chorus of those who say "It cannot be done."*

muten , wouldn't you need faith in the underlying principles to discover any new ones?

I've already been over that

I said it's a controlled amount of faith

oh ok missed that

If you have too much you don't get anywhere