Message from @Muten

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2019-08-29 07:53:23 UTC  

the scientific approach to 'what, how and why' may end in a loop

2019-08-29 07:53:24 UTC  

And you'll never know

2019-08-29 07:53:33 UTC  

Once you know the what and the how and the when and The Who and the everything else, you’ll *have* the why.

2019-08-29 07:53:35 UTC  

unless again something or someone tells you

2019-08-29 07:53:44 UTC  

You can’t get to the big “why” without the other stuff.

2019-08-29 07:53:54 UTC  

Nah, resting on one's laurels isn't adequate.

2019-08-29 07:53:58 UTC  

The "Who" is a historical thing

2019-08-29 07:54:06 UTC  

we don't even know if there is a who in the universe

2019-08-29 07:54:08 UTC  

The Who is a band

2019-08-29 07:54:12 UTC  

Ahh, this os where Faith comes in. @Scale_e

2019-08-29 07:54:16 UTC  

Mediocre at their best

2019-08-29 07:54:16 UTC  

so again you can't get why

2019-08-29 07:54:21 UTC  

Don;t get me wrong , i'm not saying science should be halted

2019-08-29 07:54:27 UTC  

Re: why without the other stuff.

2019-08-29 07:54:33 UTC  

Nor am I.

2019-08-29 07:54:38 UTC  

Faith need not be limited to the religious.

2019-08-29 07:54:39 UTC  

You see this is my problem

2019-08-29 07:54:45 UTC  

but i think there should be specific and worthy reasons to push the limits in certain areas

2019-08-29 07:54:47 UTC  

Science is of great value.

2019-08-29 07:54:49 UTC  

Faith is belief without proof.

2019-08-29 07:54:50 UTC  

it's the whole making faith based assumptions

2019-08-29 07:54:54 UTC  

it's just waste imho

2019-08-29 07:55:07 UTC  

Science is impossible without faith.

2019-08-29 07:55:23 UTC  

Well it's a controlled amount of faith

2019-08-29 07:55:25 UTC  

Eh, but Science is rife with faith based assumptions.

2019-08-29 07:55:40 UTC  

if there's too much it's not going to go anywhere

2019-08-29 07:55:49 UTC  

if there's not enough you don't get anywhere

2019-08-29 07:55:54 UTC  

Of course. You hypothesize.
Then you test.

2019-08-29 07:55:58 UTC  

Controlled, that's an interesting thought.

2019-08-29 07:56:11 UTC  

You don't go with "I think this is true, therefore it's true"

2019-08-29 07:56:13 UTC  

In the hypothetical stage, you’re operating on faith.

2019-08-29 07:56:24 UTC  

That's the problem I have with faith

2019-08-29 07:56:43 UTC  

The complete disregard of proper evidence based thinking

2019-08-29 07:56:51 UTC  

Faith is not “I believe this is true, so it’s true”
Faith is merely “I believe this is true”

2019-08-29 07:56:53 UTC  

Honest faith isn't even "I think this is true, therefore it is."

2019-08-29 07:56:54 UTC  

And not using the scientific method

2019-08-29 07:57:06 UTC  

I mean, if you need to smash something to discover the how and the why, all for some physical quest of self discovery, well i dunno, maybe im just paranoid

2019-08-29 07:57:14 UTC  

@Scale_e I'm just trying to make a point sorry for not using the proper terms

2019-08-29 07:57:18 UTC  

I'm just using what I can

2019-08-29 07:58:01 UTC  

Nah, all we can do is humbly approach the Alter.

2019-08-29 07:58:05 UTC  

Why is literally "I think it's true, therefore it is" in 90% of the cases