not just authoritarian govts

China has for most of it's History not been Democratic or allowed much Liberty

Europe has

hence why it's worse than the EU

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Little Democracy is better than NO Democracy

OOF

They are maintaining a culture of Authoritarianism, The EU is changing a culture of Liberty and Democracy into one of Authoritarianism

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it's not entirely cultural

it's also a govt thing, too

No

>denying the PRC is authoritarian

nice going, PRC shill

But Authoritarianism is much more prevalent in China

Yes, there's no denying that

that's why the EU is better

It's not completely down to culture

But a large part of it is

It's also a religious thing

shockingly enough

but Confucianism and Taoism have ingrained themselves on the Chinese psyche

The EU is attempting to change Europe from a Democratic continent into an Authoritarian one, Hence it is worse

ermmm

it's still Democratic, to an extent

long-term it might be AS BAD as China

PRC is maintaining a culture, The EU is changing one

but short-term, it's better

@The Electric Lizard It's not a homogenous culture

europe till like the 1940s was under authoritarian regimes

China is really fucking diverse, hilariously enough

its in our culture bois

I am talking generally

Culture in the abstract

Generally speaking Europe supports Democracy and Liberty whereas China is Authoritarian

"generally speaking"

for most of it's history it wasn't Democratic

europe was authoritarian till 1940s

China still is

means that change is possible

for everyone

We haven't been for quite a while

And?

for the moment, the EU is Democratic

for the foreseeable future it is

nah man eu is hitler man

china is stalin man

stalin is good

England is the only country with a significant democratic legacy

The rest of Europe was authoritarian until very recent history

My fundamental point here is, Europe is being changed from a Democratic place into an Authoritarian one whereas China is is traditionally Authoritarian and the PRC is simply maintaining this, For that reason i believe the EU is worse for actively trying to change Europe

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Europe was authoritarian for thousands of years and changed to democracy in the last ~70 years

what do you mean traditionally

in that case europe was traditionally authoritarian too

The EU is becoming increasingly Authoritarian

AFAIK, Authoritarianism in China only came about around the time of Taoism and Confucianism

Europe has been Democratic for around the last 60 years

I mean I have no problem with the EU once Britain is out of it

Even the Eastern Block has been Democratic for quite a while

China has not been Democratic for around a hundred years or so and since Sun Yat Sen died

"traditionally"

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck China has been Authoritarian for a very long time, You can go back as far as the Qing Dynasty and further, Parts of Europe have been Democratic for a long time and practically the entirety of Europe has been Democratic for around the last 60 years or so

@The Electric Lizard Parts of Europe like WHAT?

UK

At that point, Europe was HEAVILY authoritarian

France

save for the UK, and maybe France

and even so

more authoritarian than nowadays

Czechoslovakia was Democratic if i remember correctly

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Parts of Scandinavia

in the 1800s?

>traditionally goys

1900's

so you're talking about the Qing's final days?

or the high point of the Qing?

Both

they weren't in the same century

I am referencing the time period in which China has not been Democratic

the High Point of the Qing was the 18th or 19th centuries IIRC

they still got yeeted a bunch

And comparing it to how long parts of Europe have been Democratic

Not one specific time period

now its parts of europe instead of europe

I am speaking about it overall

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fuck

SMG just sent me a nude

I need to fucking bleach my eyes

In the 1800's it was parts of Europe

anyways

EU is better than the PRC

isnt that cp tho @SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck

Following WW2 it became around half of Europe

yes it is

I'm gonna fucking tell him

At the end of the Cold War it became most of Europe

>Europe goes from authoritarianism to totalitarianism to democracy
>China goes from authoritarianism to totalitarianism
>China is a million times better than the EU