p good shit

shows how intolerant the left really is

This sets a good precedent for white identity speakers on mainstream platforms. This may be premature to say so but I think today was a bit of a breakthrough.

actually yes

somebody got fuckin woke and went up to the mic just to tell richard that

in front of all those commie fags

Feels good man

Feels damn good

today was a good day

why Russian orthodoxy @identitarian_right ?

Because I learned that orthodoxy was the first church of Christ and I never liked the pope

@Orchid

^ mah nigga

@Belisarius what orthodox r u ?

sort of non denominational, leaning towards greek though.

Really

I’m converting to Russian orthodox

well that's unfortunate, have a nice time in hell, eh? i'll be praying for you.

kek

kinism or bust

hwat is "kinism"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinism

similar to positive christianity

http://faithandheritage.com/

@Belisarius what’s wrong with Russian orthodox?

that was just a joke, nothing wrong, just slight differences in interpretations and authority.

O lol

kinism

best christianity

But it’s wrong

Orthodox is based

^

how is kinism wrong

u wot

Do u have Confession?

i don't see any official orthodox sources that disdain negroes or other races

Bro orthodox is based out in said he will kill George soroce if he comes to Russia

wait who said it

Putin

He’s banned from Russia

just because putin is orthodox doesn't mean that orthodoxy is based

^

Ya but there supper anti jew

Super

*

it's the religion itself that makes it good or bad, not the people who follow it.

i see no direct correlation between putin being orthodox and not liking george soros and his international bank

Ya but he was an example

If the Bible doesnt directly disdain negros than why should the church?

>beasts of the field

>black people are beasts

So there’s an example of we’re the church disdains blacks

Because the preach the Bible in original form

They

nebuchadnezzar was known to employ a large group of slaves

the "beasts of the field" are the negroes

his flesh turning black

So like I said the church does disdain blacks bc the preach the Bible

so being a negro seems to be a punishment

the orthodox church?

Ya

@ram3n

🤔

Different orthodox church

eastern orthodoxy?

I’m Russian orthodox

seems to me that they're the same

No they have different teachings

hm

friendly reminder that all those saints would have been white because the north africans and egyptians used to be a lot more "medditerranian" looking than they are now. the carthaginians were white, the vandals were white.

ah okay

DNA suggests that they were actually "fair" in complexion

well yeah

i know that northern africans like egyptians n shit

Not just white but **white**

were more white than their southern counterparts

oh shit

well i knew that carthaginians were really white

but that's about it

Egyptians were practically slavic in complexion according to the latest tests

damn

Very interesting stuff

inb4 finns "we wuz lords n shiet"

So theres a long history of brown people spreading like an infection

we have to reverse that trend

yes

The islamic invasions pretty much browned the entire southern hemisphere

yes

Sadly

This is a good video to watch, also not very long : https://youtu.be/Z7Gc1bv-Mj4

some on pol hate spincer because he said good things on isreal, and has done some degenerate stuff. I like the message he gives but him as a person is just pretty smart dude who is probably in it for the fame and money.

the alt right doesn't have a leader because everyone thinks they should act different. some say only whites others say civic nationalism.

Unbelievable

europe is completely lost

at least western europe

Never

England Lives and Marches On!!!

I dont have high hopes...

The worst part is that these are the same people who will say stuff like "this society has no values(or no culture)" and will insist that any value system from across the world belongs in our countries. But they fully understand that people have value systems and will pass them on to their children, so they use their power to stop children learning values they don't like. They don't want "equality " or "peace". They want domination and destruction.

values are defined by the divine

there is no relative morality and obligation for racial fusion

I just want to leave this here, really hit home for me

That's the gateway redpill.

I know, and I know feminism is the biggest fuck up in the last century. But I myself never really saw the scope of all of it, now I do.

It is a poisonous cycle really.

First they destroyed the family, so little girls don't have a father figure around, so they develop daddy issues and they can't trust men, so they have to be strong and independent so they don't even try to trust and rely on a man in order to become mothers, but end up either single, divorced or childless and the circle begins anew.

Bill O'Reily does an interview with the NYTIMES about his sex allegations. Says that it's a liberal conspiracy

on the October 23rd episode

https://www.nytimes.com/podcasts/the-daily

The political elite on both sides are zionist pedophiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbKhLqQ-VIw&index=1&list=PL7xl98MRbBhrtKZFozI_CFBt7texdbgdZ

Interesting playlist

Ragnarok is about the kali yuga, the fall of empires and the rebirth of ancestral values(the return of the gods)

And the oncoming of a goldenage through ancestral worship and emulation

As to worship your ancestors(the gods) you emulate them and become them

Anyone religious here? I'm assuming at least someone is. Were you raised religiously or did you find it on your own? What about your religion attracts you to it? Do you believe that religion should play a part in our new society or not? Why? I'd love to have conversations about religions with any of you, as currently I feel spiritually empty. Thanks guys.

I am a deist in the vein of Ben F. Not raised with anything. @rilath

@rilath Roman catholic

@rilath I was raised Catholic. The sense of community it creates between my people is what mainly attracts me to it. That is a hard question to answer; not sure, but for now I believe that anyone can believe in what they wish as long as it isn't self-degrading or societally-degrading.

I was feeling spiritually empty for a years too. But I have recently started doubting atheism. Even if no religion turns out to be right, at least we can look to it as something that binds communities. Also as cultural treasure chests. I have been looking into slavic paganism and it is showing me a lot of interesting things about my people. So religion can be helpful for that as well.

I was raised baptist for most my life, pagan now tbh

How do you feel about the current state of the Catholic church? I was raised Episcopalian though I became agnostic in high school. Though now I feel as though I may shift back into the church. Because you're right, there is a sense of community there that's hard to match through other facets of life. My wife is pretty agnostic too, though I feel like shed join the church if I did. Is it worth looking into Celtic paganism to get closer to my ancestral beliefs, in your mind? Thank you.

Yes take a look into paganism, i believe the values of the church dont fit well with nazism, infact all SS were taught paganism and occult, the nazis had planned to return germany back to germanic paganism aswell.

Even though hitler said many pro christianity things, thule society and elite SS had plans with thr nsdap to return germany to a blood religion(paganism)

Watch some thuleanperspectice or survivethejive on youtube for a little info on paganism and our ancestors, you cam google the plans to return nazi Germany to paganism, i dont got the source on mr

Agreed paganism can be a treasure trove of the culture of your ancestors. Adding the fact that paganism is more interesting and that I have a hard time accepting any religious docteine as absolute truth, I think paganism is something good to look into.

I think the Catholic church is corrupted to a point. The larger churches are just money hungry, always asking for donations. The smaller Polish ones I go to are much better. Less tolerant of all the bullshit the church is peddling becausw of the (((pope)))

I don't think because we currently have a pope that is ideologically different from us we should abandon our faith.

Though do you believe that in our new society that Catholicism is the religion that we should have? I can see the appeal of a nature based religion for our traditional ethnostate like our ancestors had. It makes sense to, though so does my Episcopal background. I feel both have such long standing meaning and tradition that make both Christianity and paganism good choices.

I've never met a pagen who isn't just a larper.

I'm in the same boat

@rilath I feel the same way

It really just comes down to ones personality.

Reading through "Revolt Against the Modern World" is really opening my eyes to religions of the past and their significance

At the same time, if we want to attract our fellow white men to our community, a religion they can relate to might be a better option.

Try pagan imperialism - evola

I think tens of thousands of years with paganism and indo european religions > 1000 years of christianity (which is a foreign religion to our bloof anyways)

I mean its the same situation for islam in thr baltics for albanians and bosniaks

They have the religion of their ancestors 1000s of years, or the foreign religion that has taken hold past 600-700yrs

Which is derived from Judaism anyways, both islam and christianity

Like muslims recognzie christ as a great prophet, but not as son of god

Just my opinion

And on the larping subject, the pagan gods are not beings like christ, they are representations of nature and your ancestors

Worship of the pagan gods comes from emulating them (your ancestors) to become wotan(a wise ancestor)

In all subjects, strength, wisdom, glory and honour

I dont know if a god exists( in the way christ does)but i know nature does and the value of our ancestors in metaphysical properties that is in our race

To me the god would be nature

I dont see how that counters the point that most modern pagans are larpers, and a 1000 years is not a small amount of time. Under christianity, western civilization went from being insignificant to taking over the world, and at the end of the day Christians can actually get people to show up to church. It's not like you have to abandon your ancestors traditions either, a large portion of western christian traditions have been inherited from european paganism. Ultimately, If you can show me someone who's stopped being an alchoholic through paganism, then I'll take it seriously.

Mpst of the christain world aint even white

I dont drink due to emulating wotans strength

And im huge

:)

Havent had a drop since, alcohol only weakens

And no before christians aryans always ruled most the world

Persia, ancient india, rome, nomad steppes

Even egypt and gooks had a good bit european in their keadership %

Rome was built on pagan imperialism and the cult of mythos

A military pagan god

this is just cringy

It cant be as im aethetic af

Worshipping a dead jew is cringy

>rule 6, no larping

Not larpin

Opposition to the toxicity of Christian-Pagan infighting is part of the spirit that founded /esg/ in the first place. Every religion with a history in the formation, identity, and defense of Europe has place here. What matters is that you agree with the 14 words.

I dont care i put our race above

It is just discussion

nah youre just cringe

Wtf i love jews now

Praise yahweh

"And no before christians aryans always ruled most the world" the aryans youre referring to here are not white

Thule society was larp

Aryan india was nordic

Read rosenberg

Myth of 20th century

Or the myth vua youtub3

Steppes slavic, iran persia nordic

Zoroasterism is blood caste religion to prevent racemixinf

Obv it failed

Nonwhites outbreed em

Like us now

Highly recommended rosemberg for aeyan history and nazi ideologue

@Orchid do you believe that there are no real pagans? That they're all larpers? Or are you just talking about chris

if there are any, I havent seen them

Pagans created the white aryan race in the European cradle, Paganism was its adolescent and encompassed the growing pains that expanded her racial borders and made her strong. Christianity hardened that strength and rallied the white european race to opposed the saracen, mongol, moorish, and turkish hordes. Christianity also gave birth the the sciences that discovered genetics and race, further cementing the formation of white racial consciousness. The height of the White European identity and experience is the culmination of both the Pagan and Christian spirit and if either's contribution was lost, European civilizations and the white race would not have existed today. Both have played their part and to endlessly discount the contribution of either faith is the deny half of Europe's and the White Race's collective soul.

This arguement is so pointless, guys

Pagans see their gods more as archetypes. The archetypes are of course real, but the gods, as real people are not. That's why there is some confusion about their "belief".

It's as bad as slavs, anglos, and germanics arguing about who is actually white. It makes me cringe..

@P14 are you pagan yourself?

I'm genuinely interested in the discussion.

@rilath kinda

I don't really feel that I need religion, so it's more of an intrest I guess.

So you don't necessarily worship the gods per se, more so follow their ideals?

Yeah, you worship the ideals, not the gods themselves really. The gods in paganism are flawed, just like humans, but they all have one or two characteristics, that they represent the ideal of.

Why should I be pagan?

I mean Nordic pagan specifically.

@P14 I am in the same boat, I am genuinely interested in paganism but do not believe the gods are real or worship it as a religion. I view religions as things to look to for guidance as lessons and a collection of beliefs that benefit the people, but i do not necessarily believe the stories or god actually happened/exist. I am still struggling with the question of religion, but that is my take on it.

@Polak thats similar to Paganism, they exist as much as nature or your amcestors exist, but not as beings like yahweh

@MKUltra if you want to emulate the ideals or value similar things go ahead, not like you have to, theres no hell for not believing it

I think all aspects of it play a good role for our volk

Can't I have those ideals without the religion at all? In fact, couldn't I do it much more effectively by listening to the philosophers rather than larping as a rapist who held back science for 200 years?

Yes you can

you don't need religion to have morals and ideals similar to well, a religion's morals and ideals.

>200years, indo european religion goes waaay beyond that

People just find it more practical to translate those ideals into something more comprehensible

Its more escotetic

In pretty sure it originates from ancestral worship

Also when practicing the religion, you tap into the collective unconsciousness of europeans, kinda hard to explain what that means

^

the aryan unconsciousness

It escoteric and metaphysical

Wrong section whoops

Oh good it didnt send

what

Sent a pic i didnt mean 2 send

You need absolute morals for a properly functioning society

Religions establish these

Rate my morals -
Not religious at all. Morals stem from social contract, golden rule, and non aggression principle.
Someone breaks social contract or non aggression principle, all bets are off.
Golden rule - treat others as you'd like to be treated

Pretty much tldr version

"Social contract" is a meaningless thing to state as your rule unless you outline what said contract actually is

Golden rule is, equally, not helpful in itself. If you do not impose some other moral code upon yourself, for instance, you would wish yourself not to be punished when you are caught doing something wrong; if you do impose said code on youself and accept the consequences, then the golden rule merely states that you should apply that to everyone else. It can't, therefore, form a moral rule of its own, it merely means that you have to apply whatever your rule is universally.

NAP is a good ethical system, and synergises well with social contract theory, but I see no great advantage to it as a moral system. It is simply too easy to think up situations where violence as a response to non-violent action seems perfectly morally acceptable, even if it must be ethically condemned.

Overall, likely to lead to a decent person who won't cause any outrages, but is a bit skeletal and would probably break down in lots of awkward moral positions.

Let me try to help you understand it a little bit better - I understand I only gave you a tldr version with some buzzwords.

A social contract is a contract that you, as an individual, as well as all other individuals in X society, have agreed to uphold. I live in America, so my "social contract" is US law.
Personally, and in my ideal living environment/community, the social contract would operate on 2 axioms - the golden rule and the non aggression principle, which I hope are pretty self explanatory. For the most part, this is what US law operates on, but obviously there are some discrepancies.

So, you would allow the laws to dictate morality?

No absolutely not. In the US, *most* laws are originated from NAP and golden rule (some are not, drug possession laws for example). I'm saying in my ideal system, all laws would be in alignment with NAP and golden rule.

Thoughts on fusing Christianity and Paganism?

Ew

Gross

i'm all for it

Leave Jeebus out of my religion

christianity is a cucked religion, turn the other cheek has been corrupted to apply to ALL people, instead of ones own people only

“Worship a Jew”

No thanks bra

you fucking memelord you dont understand

it doesnt mean you need to become christian

im saying christianity could benefit of a reformation to become more combatative

like the orthodox priests blessing soldiers' guns etc.

but if you're too attached to your 'kike on a stick lelz' to see anything more than memage, that's fine too.

@P14 what sort of fuze do you have in mind?

Dunno, it was just an idea that popped into my mind

Jolly crocodile, just a bit of research on my part. All taken from the book of John.

And quite as clearly he regards Jesus as not “a Jew.” In talking to the Jews, Jesus speaks of “your Law” (John 7:19, 8:17, 10:34) and “your circumcision” (John 7:22). Abraham is “your father” (John 8:56). When the Jews say to him, “Our ancestors ate manna in the desert” (John 6:31), Jesus replies, “What Moses gave you was not the bread from heaven” (John 6:32), and later on says, “Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert” (John 6:49).

I didn't write that out, from some website, but the scripture is accurate

they ate the mana in the desert

this is why nobody has magic anymore

everyone's permanently oom

Those kikes ate all the mana

FIGURES

>Be me
>Be Jolly Crocodile
>Woah, Worship a Kike!?
Heh, I'm so edgy you guys. Look at me. 😆 😉