but it does give an idea how much effort and work was put into it

Yes, I'm trying though to figure out if other people also realize how recreating lets say, classical art today would be a folly

1995 and before

http://www.deathmetal.org/

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is that your site?

yes

ree

I am not the editor now

but founder

nice

a-art can still be technical in today's times and still be good

hr giger was both technical and had style

Let's take music today for example, to demonstrate a point

Music has obviously, techinally moved from Symphonies, since people can now both produce music in their own studio

And can listen it on their youtube

< make music ez

And thats the only reality of that

So now that we are left with that, we have 3 dicourses: dance music, "cerebral music", and everything that stems from jazz/blues/latino and simiar rhythms

and folk music i guess

i dont know crap about music so ill bow out of this one

visual arts are more of my thing

Now imagine someone today, in this year, trying to compose a symphony

Wouldn't that be a major folly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQalkIeE7s

#goodmusic

how about metal? some of them stick rather closely to symphonic structure

progressive metal/math rock

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heavy influence by classical music

well there's andreas waldetoft

IMO, metal was a product of guitar and amp age, and Its' just fine

and movie soundtracks

i like metal

iron maiden.

And if you look at the lyrics, in metal there's almost no pathos of big words, philosophies such as in rock and roll

pantera.

it's mostly themed music

not really

there's no social bullhit as in Queens and stuff

i can point out NIN, SoaD and Metallica

anyone watching https://www.youtube.com/user/ThuleanPerspective btw?

off thr top of my head

Yeah, they are kind of softer

Look at Slayer, it's all music inspired by popular themes, and hey, that's reality

great perspective trying to reconstruct the old religions imo

Yes, I'm watching Varg

He is sometimes very correct, and sometimes he has no idea what's he talking about

thats pretty much everyone who exists

Haha, yes it just dawned on me too

i think his reconstruction effort is very laudable

He's terrible at antrophology

he's trying to pull paganism into the currentYear, rather sucessfully imo

He misses things by margins of thousands of years

oops

I'm sort of a pagan too, but I'm realistic about paganism as well in a way

how so?

Well, Paganism isn't a substitute to faith

It can't possibly be

my faith is nature and consciousness. isn't that a pagan faith?

yes

hail paganism

Neo-Paganism is both folkish and racial

Obviously all European Pagan religions are one and the same, with varying degrees of methaphysical sophistication (we need that guy now)

http://www.amerika.org/texts/against-the-neo-pagans-julius-evola/

ze knows zir gender

oh wow that evola text is very appropriate for me

Do you have his works? Worth having, plus Nietzsche, Kant and Schopenhauer

i keep having audio problems, going to refresh again

only Ride the Tiger

just started it though

eines tages mussin wir in deutsch sprechen

Ah, you will love it. Fun book.

mussen*

Somewhere there are some of these texts in ebook form

If you are interested, email me and I will look

Yeah Evola had point, but Evola is traditionalist

Sadly English only

i don't entirely agree with the characterization of "imprisonment in Nature"

for them, transcendence is real as a starting point

Is traditionalism bad?

i think "Nature" *is* transcendental

No, I consider myself a Traditionalist

ultimately it is a direct connection with the basic layer of existence

Recent writings on religion: http://www.amerika.org/science/evidence-versus-logical-fact/

the thing the Upanishads hint at

Nature is the logical system, like your operating system

But then the operating system has unexpected behaviors

Programs can run on it

Their actions are not always anticipated

I won't argue against Evola's point, I come to it in a way when i say I don't consider possible a Neo-Paganism as a faith

http://www.juliusevola.com/julius_evola/texts/The_Doctrine_of_Awakening.rtf

I have that book

http://www.juliusevola.com/julius_evola/texts/decadence.txt

great read, slow, but very insightful

Great book

Probably my favorite

doctrine ?

Yes, I think it's his clearest

About general concepts