God doesn't have a God

Maybe he does

Wth

that's one too many Gods

1 Peter 2:21

**1 Peter 2:21 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<21> For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: ```

what is with having this conversation over and over and over and over and over and over and over and oever

we are to live as Jesus did.

how are we supposed to be God

it's boring

My priest also says that Jesus is crucified everyday

Jesus says many times, even in REVELATION that his Father is his God

so you've said

Revelation 3:12

**Revelation 3:12 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<12> Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. ```

@RidleyChozo it's fun to watch them argue over contradictions in the Bible rather than forgoing it altogether

wow

**from my God**

God isn't his own high priest

Sola Fide is a more interesting argument imo

I’m personally a round earther myself, and a firm believer in everything the bible says. I believe that even though our governments are corrupt, they wouldnt hide something as obscure as the earth being flat.

But wait, dont ban me yet, i have a proposition

I will choose one person to debate against me, and i will have as open of a mind as possible, but i also ask the same from you.

If you convince me, i will openly accept and help convert people to the flat earth theory, but if i convince YOU, then you have to help me convert more people to the round earth theory again

No bias, just pure science and fact

Read this

Calling my God just a man, even though he humbled himself as a man, is rather immature.

what?

You heard me.

Jesus isn't God though, he was sent by God

John 17:3

**John 17:3 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<3> And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ```

He is his spiritual son

Don’t make me repeat myself.

this whole conversation is a repeat

Jesus Christ is the word.

Where does the Holy Spirit fall into this

you guys are ignoring Jesus

and ignoring God

Let's change gears to Holy Spirit

That would be you.

we've all heard the arguments

John 16:12

God says Jesus is his Son.

**John 16:12 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<12> I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. ```

the debate is pointless

yeah, some people just can't handle the truth

Best talking point I heard all day

Hebrews 13:17

**Hebrews 13:17 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<17> Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. ```

obvious clear as day verses i have.

yet im ignored

Stop grieving me.

trinitarians accept all your arguments and include them in their understanding of God

Have a great day. 👍❤️

the debate does nothing

they include that God has a God?

Everyone rage quit it seems

smh

This argument only strengthens my atheism as it exposes the contradictions of the scripture

your sin strengthens your atheism

Burn in the depths of fiery hell you satanic f*ckhole @Bibleman

?

Matthew 5:12

**Matthew 5:12 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<12> Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. ```

And like @Bibleman said God isnt supposed to confuse so if the logic doesnt make sense then God isn't real

i say God is one like the bible says and i'm somehow a satanic person?

<:BigSmiles:556070613224259594>

F*ck off, the logic makes perfect sense but @Bibleman is twisting it up like a d*ck head

John 20:17

**John 20:17 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<17> Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. ```

logic

Nope

Lemme type

catholics called real christians heretics back in the day

John 14:9

**John 14:9 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<9> Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? ```

If you would stop f u c k i n g cherry picking every verse that fits youre god forsaken genda then you wouldnt be such a sack of sh*t

you sound so tolerant of brethren @DeltaTale

Agenda*

No personal attacks, Jake. Cool it.

Fine

My Religion teacher was a very eccentric person. He truly loved what he did.

i ALWAYS see this type of behavior, and only from TRINITARIANS

I don't like it either @Bibleman

And don’t make yourself a martyr, Bibleman.

I've been to Christian discord and they all say Catholics only sh*post

but it's like when people meet a pseudo-Christian and use that person to define all Christians

John 10:32

**John 10:32 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<32> Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? ```

John 14:10

**John 14:10 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<10> Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. ```

the Father is IN Jesus

Yeah..

so if you see Jesus, you see the Father.

And?

because the Father is IN him

Catholics have it about 75% right. The other 25% is stuff like worshipping god through saints and stuff. Oh, and paying for your sins to be cleared

And Jesus existed how long ago?

remember the tabernacle in the desert, God was IN the tabernacle

was the tabernacle God?

Since the beginning.

same logic

WE get that same Spirit

are WE God, ofc not.

how many Prophets have spoken the words of God?

Jesus created all things. How could he do that before he was a man?

Ill tell god when i get up to heaven to go easy on you guys in hell

The answer is obvious.

I’m no saint but i believe in what the bible twlls me plain and clear

Tells*

Jesus didnt exist since the beginning

There is no beginning

Yes he did

It is intinite

nobody is hellbound for thinking Jesus isn't God. They're simply mistaken and God knows their heart. It's easy to read scripture and think He wasn't Him

I know that, Logos.

Well the scripture was God's word

who is it that overcometh the world?

So did Jesus author the Bible along with the Father?

he that believeth Jesus is the Son of God

hey guys, i overcame the world!

now enough calling me a heretic @DeltaTale

Well, you are spreading contention.

prophets and angels have spoken the words of God before.

Give it a rest already.

there was an angel that said we was The LORD. did he actually call himself God? no. he was delivering a Message

You’ve already proven you ignore my fellowship in favor of your own understanding.

What exactly is the LORD

!mute @Bibleman

is the LORD God or the Father

there are soooo many other things we can talk about which we agree on. let's agree to disagree on this and let the Holy Spirit lead us

The Lord is one Lord.

That doesnt really answer my question

Too much terminology I thought monotheism was supposed to be simpler

and Hamburger Guy can let the spaghetti monster lead him or whatever

Lol

Ok I really have to get to work so cya

If I send another message after this one for the next 6 hours mute me I have a phone addiction

God bless

John 14:9

**John 14:9 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<9> Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? ```

1 Timothy 3:16

**1 Timothy 3:16 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<16> And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. ```

I’m not a theologian. However this scripture tells me there’s a great mystery.

@Brian (Fourth Amendment)

gotta say the trinity is completely unbiblical, agree with bibleman on this. jesus emphatically states dozens of times that all his power comes from the Father, the Father is greater than he is, to pray to the Father and not to him just as he prayed to the Father, and that he was not God. Jesus was tempted, God cannot be tempted. Jesus learned and gained wisdom, God knows all things. Jesus does not know the future unless he is told, God does. God is not a man, Jesus is. God does not need the strength or wisdom of angels, Jesus did. I can back up every word i just said with scripture if you want it

The Father is your God, Jesus is your King, the Spirit is God’s literal breath which moves all things

Jesus is special, hes the greatest man who ever lived, he died for all sins, he is the only man who earned his way back to heaven. He was, in a sense, the closest that a man can be to God, but to say he is equal to God goes directly against what Jesus himself said.

That’s nonsense.

Jews were going to stone him for making himself equal with God.

John 10:33

**John 10:33 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<33> The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. ```

they did not understand what he meant. “Before Abraham was, I am” or “Before Abraham was the greatest man, now I am the greatest man”

http://www.thedeenshow.com/90-verses-that-say-jesus-is-not-god-nor-the-literal-son-of-god/

read this

Jesus existed before he was a man.

indeed, doesn’t change anything

It changes everything.

read that, stop typing

i don’t agree with everything said in that article, but the verses speak for themselves

numbers 23:19

**Numbers 23:19 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<19> God is not a human being, that he should lie, or a mortal, that he should change his mind. Has he promised, and will he not do it? Has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? ```

When I was born again through Christ. The entire event was synchronous. Between Christ the Holy Spirit and the Father. If you don’t agree, fine. But this isn’t an issue that’s an open and shut case. Unless you want to pretend you understand God’s mind.

luke 18:19

And Jesus never lied did he?

**Luke 18:19 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<19> Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. ```

Yeah.

matthew 19:17

**Matthew 19:17 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<17> And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." ```

Yeah.

john 14:28

**John 14:28 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<28> You heard me say to you, 'I am going away, and I am coming to you.' If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I. ```

No doubt.

he is referred to as “God’s holy servant” like a dozen times

he is constantly referenced as a separate and lesser entity

He’s God’s word.

Acts 2:22

**Acts 2:22 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<22> "You that are Israelites, listen to what I have to say: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with deeds of power, wonders, and signs that God did through him among you, as you yourselves know— ```

Of course God’s word is subject to him.

luke 22:42

**Luke 22:42 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<42> "Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me; yet, not my will but yours be done." ```

Proving he was in flesh.

you can be obtuse about it if you want, Jesus doesn’t want you to worship him, i can literally keep going

John 6:38

**John 6:38 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<38> for I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. ```

He didn’t rebuke Thomas.

Luke 22:43

**Luke 22:43 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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< <<43> Then an angel from heaven appeared to him and gave him strength. ```

why does God need strength from an angel?

Mark 1:13

**Mark 1:13 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<13> He was in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan; and he was with the wild beasts; and the angels waited on him. ```

Since when don’t we in flesh?

John 20:28

**John 20:28 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<28> And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. ```

Why didn’t Jesus rebuke him?

He rebuked Peter for saying he wouldn’t die as if Peter were Satan.

Because “Lord” refers to your master, it is used many times to refer to people who arent God

And my God.

‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:
1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)
2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)
3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)
4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt. 21:30)
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)
‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would make no sense.

**Mark 13:35 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<35> Therefore, keep awake—for you do not know when the master of the house will come, in the evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrow, or at dawn, ```

**Acts 25:26 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<26> But I have nothing definite to write to our sovereign about him. Therefore I have brought him before all of you, and especially before you, King Agrippa, so that, after we have examined him, I may have something to write— ```

And my God.

literally saying “My King, and the Father within him”

aka the Holy Spirit

Jesus says the Father is within him, thats undeniable.

Thomas didn’t say, And my Father.

Hebrews 4:15

meh, abbreviations 😤

Just type it again.

It’s fine.

Hebrews 4:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

**Hebrews 4:15 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<15> For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who in every respect has been tested as we are, yet without sin. ```

James 1:13

**James 1:13 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<13> No one, when tempted, should say, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil and he himself tempts no one. ```

And God cannot sin. Neither can Jesus.

Jesus was tempted. Because he was in flesh.

I just quoted a verse saying Jesus was tempted, and a verse saying God cannot be tempted

nah thats just your own headcannon

Satan tempted him.

John 7:16

**John 7:16 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<16> Then Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine but his who sent me. ```

Not God.

Matthew 28:18

**Matthew 28:18 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<18> And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. ```

Hello

Hi guys

I want to learn about your faith

John 20:17

**John 20:17 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<17> Jesus said to her, "Do not hold on to me, because I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" ```

@i_stole_the_kids what do you want to learn?

I think I can rest my case on the matter, i understand it’s scary to reject such a popular idea that has been ingrained into your head, but i just cannot justify it, but lets agree to disagree if I can’t make you see it, lets focus on the new person for now

To assume it’s been ingrained in my head, is nonsense.

I wasn’t raised in a Christian home, nor had read scripture. I’m operating by sheer faith.

get the last word then, do what you will

@i_stole_the_kids what would you like to know?

She said she wants to know about faith.

I can tell her about mine.

I wasn’t raised being Bible bashed.

I was raised in a home that didn’t believe. I didn’t know what to believe.

A prayer to receive Christ when it meant the difference between all or nothing, is what changed my life.

I didn’t even know if Jesus was real. But I was willing to believe.

All I knew, is if there was a God, to save me.

What happened during that prayer was a synchronous event, where I couldn’t discern the difference between Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father, until I felt like a baby in the Father’s arms. Finally Home.

And I often get upset with people because I’m angry I even have to argue this. As if you don’t know what it’s like, to have nothing left to lose.

You have nothing to lose by inquiring of God of mysterious things, instead of making of your own understanding.

Have a wonderful day.

Jeremiah 23:16

**Jeremiah 23:16 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<16> Thus says the Lord of hosts: Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you; they are deluding you. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord. ```

Scripture says how to discern what Spirit a person is of.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. He is the Son of God.

And Jesus Christ is Lord.