it's the creation's fault for knowing better and doing it anyways

A plant is food. But, I don’t want Bibleman to be upset either.

like how Adam knew he'd die if he ate from the fruit, but did it anywau

*anyway

It’s always a delicate issue when our consciences are involved.

Yeah of course

lexicon says drug bad.

lol wat

Did you know the pharmaceutical industry in America, wants to manufacture their own fruit, and label it as drugs?

they want people to sin all the time

Yeah I agree to that Bibleman at least for the most people

Auto correct I mean part

it's unfortunate how satanists run this world

a lot of people commit evil and don't even know they are doing evil.

Because they want to be able to say that fruits are drugs, because they alter our mood. Our mind. They would have done so already if fruits and plants weren’t already natural. So they have to genetically alter it instead and manufacture it, so they can claim it’s man made.

Probably

because by society's standards it's "normal"

I feel like the higher ups are intentionally spreading and condoning sin.

they are.

@A&Ω no doubt about that

Fruits are nowhere near the level of drugs

Every mainstream PG-13 movie uses the Lords name in vain.

It's not the same thing

I agree. Calling food drugs isn’t the same.

Weed isn’t a drug it’s a plant

We’ve been raised to think that way though by the world.

Just like we were raised to believe all kinds of things.

Me?

i don’t think its advisable to go pick up a pitchfork and crusade against weed, its quabbling over law and unnecessary, leads potential converts away from God with little justification, thats all I have to say about it. pick your battles, so many judgy christians making mountains out of anthills

Indoctrination by culture

i mean, jamine tea can be considered a drug by some phara types, but that doesn't mean it's the type of drug that is pharmakia

A plant is a plant.

if it alters your mind, don't do it, simple.

cocaine comes from poppy

Chocolate has a drug named Theobromine in it

back to square one i guess even though ive contradicted that with verses

Psychoactive effects if consuming lots of chocolate

@rightthehand It's not that simple

some plants are literally poison to us

You mAke it more complicated

just because it's a plant doesn't immediately make it good

Weed never killed anyone

You can't just find marijuana and chop it up then smoke it, weed is made of different things as well not just that one plant

Beer has

I grow it

It is just the plant

Weed is physically harmless, besides the physiological implications

I smile weed

2 timothy 2:14

**2 Timothy 2:14 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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A Worker Approved by God

<14> Remind them of this, and warn them before God that they are to avoid wrangling over words, which does no good but only ruins those who are listening. ```

Smoke

people don't like to admit it, but as an ex stoner, let me tell you

I assumed you did

I believe in Jesus

I smoke weed too

weed is addictive, weed makes you lazy, it makes you stupid.

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I know the earth is flat

Vaccines are bad

i know this, i used to smoke it.

I smoke weed and use CBD every night for anxiety

Weed isn’t bad. In moderation is helps like anything god gives us

Apples are good for you

^

But eat 50000 and you’ll be in trouble

Smh

Just use self control

I am actually more motivated to pray while high

Weed helps me eat. I’m super skinny naturally and have no appetite it helps

i also used to smoke it, but you quibble over law and letter to the detriment of your persuasion.

yeah, just inject a little heroine, right

as Paul says in 2 timothy 2

2 Timothy 3:2

**2 Timothy 3:2 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<2> For people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, ```

Weed is a seed bearing fruit

I'm not bashing people who smoke weed btw just saying

you are using that so out of context

Genesis 1 is **before the curse**

Am I?

I don’t currently smoke either. But I do know for others, a little bit can help. (Not saying they should become a stoner.)

all plants are made for man? eat some hemlock

you will **die**

it's a pre curse verse.

All plants have a purpose

Like everything god made

says the guy using “love God with all your mind” just condemn all those who alter their mind, even though literally everything you consume alters your mind. you stretch more than any of us, and based on your own prejudice, as you’ve just admitted

I like how some of you have been like "it's just a plant" and while try it just makes the assumption that it was a plant that humans should be even using in that way

because it has a purpose, does not mean it's purpose is to be smoked

God is all knowing

“i can’t handle weed so nobody can”

He knows what humans will use it for

You can eat weed

you really want to get personal dew?

don't. just don't. ok?

I shouldn’t have brought weed up

i was sharing ym experience and what i have seen from all the others i have seen smoke it.

you’re always on here condemning others and your scriptural justification is always extremely weak so you fall back on personal experience

did you not see

http://prntscr.com/o54arc

Well, if carrots had the same effect weed does, we would be wondering if carrots are sinful.

@rightthehand Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should

i literally posted this

Tylenol is a sin

We’re all just trying to have a clean conscience to God.

That is what matters.

it isn't a mistranslation.

it's telling people not to do drugs.

weed is a drug, just because it's a plant doesn't mean it can't be a drug

I’m going to do my own research for a minute and get back to you with the hebrew, you may be on to something, certainly more than the other verse, give me a minute

God doesn’t call plants drugs. Men do.

Yes but even if that is so it isn't just the plant we are talking about here but the effects of it

yeah

is the plant itself evil? no, is using it evil, yeah

It's like wine or literally anything else like that: if it didn't do the effect of what it does we wouldn't be having this conversation about it

Just because it's a plant does that mean we can abuse is for our own glee and happiness?

If we knew it was being used responsibly, and not to the point it rules our life, would we be having this conversation?

pretty thats in reference to seeking supernatural remedies, like “dont seek witch doctors” not just recreational drug use, i’ll keep looking at it though

Not likely.

I think pharmacia is pointing towards witch doctors that use shrooms, etc, to access the spiritual plain.

It's not about that Derek but the risk of what it does and how it affects the human body as a whole even if it is moderated it still does the effects

http://prntscr.com/o54fxz

also, in Genesis

lol

the FRUITS are the food

It's not that the moment someone is out of control it's a sin

I gtg good chat

cya.

Genesis 1:29

**Genesis 1:29 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<29> And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. ```

The earth is ours

yea, the fruit shall be for meat, aka food

Every herb bearing seed. Herbs don’t have fruit.

and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

there's even a comma before it

yeah i’ve been looking into it and it seems to have referred to the act of poisoning, or witchcraft. recreational drug use is definitely a stretch in my opinion. unless you’re using the weed to curse or supernaturally heal, i think its being interpreted wrong, imo.

like trying to create your own “power” apart from God

reading this thread: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?t=156240&start=25

if you’re interested

φάρμακοι
(pharmakoi)

LOL PHILOSOPHY

Colossians 2:8

**Colossians 2:8 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<8> Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. ```

its just the name of the forum 😑

it's a philosophy forum

you know, i think God wanted the Bible to be easy to understand, like even a child could read and understand without any outside influences

this is so irrelevant, you can be very stubborn you know, at least admit its up for debate as I have

why is it every time i make a clear concise and easy to understand point

people always throw their own views/beliefs into it, listen, the bible says something, thats what it is.

theres people in that thread that agree with you if you’d even read it 😑

An herb is an herb. If you think it’s something else, I can’t stop you. But I would implore you to consider not making it a condemnable offense.

Anyway, you all have a lovely, and pleasant evening.

bible: dont do drugs
men: but i like that, im gonna try to find a loophole

summary of this whole topic

but i don’t do drugs, i’m just being reasonable and actually studying it first and accepting that i could be wrong so as to have a civil discussion 🙄

there are other people reading this too mate

the actual medicinal properties of Marijuana and the Hemp plant are so incredible... so many purposeful things one plant does

https://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/12.htm

Amen

Look I have doubts, fears, and I am not perfect and I do still sin because I am weak and I am still coming to terms with Jesus, who God is, I struggle with Law VS grace, and understanding things so yes I am still afraid. You say I am not saved because I still fear, you may be right and that terrifies me even more.

I wish my walk was like yours Nomad

I hope you get there, brother. It's liberation in its highest form. I can talk you through a lot of my experiences, if you think it may help understanding certain hurdles and perhaps give you tools to help get over your own.

@Brian (Fourth Amendment) We can’t be living in fear like that. You’re a good person. We all sin. We don’t need to ask for forgiveness. What’s most important is that we can forgive ourselves.

we cannot forgive ourselves.. forgivenss comes with asking JESUS to forgive our sin.. He is the forgiver.. not yerself

trust that God knows what He is doing.. He has laid it out scripturally " no reason for treason "

We have already been forgiven. It is our responsibility to acknowledge our sins and repent. But not forgiving ourselves goes against God.

forgiving your "weaknesses" is fine.. but you cannot forgive your SIN

we are forgiven when we ASK to be forgiven

we are not "automatically forgiven of sin," sorry no way its not scriptural at all

thats why there are saved people.. and people who are not

Mark 2:10-12

**Mark 2:10-12 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<10> But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy, )<11> I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. <12> And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion. ```

acknowledgeing our SIN is NOT BEING FORGIVEN.. you must ask Jesus for forgiveness and then repent of the way you were livng

We are instructed by Jesus to forgive those who trespass against us

We can forgive their sins

absolutely yes

no no no

If it is against us, yes.

we CANNOT forgive anyones SIN we can forgive what they may have done to us.. but we cannot forgive SIN

the ACT..? we can forgive.. but not sin

Sin is only healed by the Blood of Christ

Christ is a man. Through a man we are forgiven our sin

Christ is GOD

Fool

omg.. youmust be a JW bibleman

Matthew 5:22

**Matthew 5:22 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<22> But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. ```

ofc im not a JW

Argument over the trinity I see?

JW says Jesus is Michael, thats not what I say

well then what the heck are you saying that Jesus was a man.. He is the LORD and SAVIOR.. Almighty God as man

he's the Son of God.

he's not his own Father

H eis LIKEN UNTO THE FATHER

FFS YER ONE OF THOSE o boy

unitarian?

you mean like everyone before around 100 AD

lol

no a non believer in the Trihead of God

trihead?

whatever

wth is a trihead

what do you think

a God with 3 heads?

its not hard to understand it.. but it is a mytery

The father the son and the holy spirit

Matthew 1 debunks the trinity

That's how I learned it

why have a whole Genealogy if he's God?

he's the Last Adam

was Adam God?

the TRINITY does exist .. 680 times in the OT the word ELOHIM is mentioned 680

is Moses God?

If Adam is God that means God is a sinner

He is not Adam no

Exodus 7:1

**Exodus 7:1 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<1> And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. ```

that's Elohim in hebrew

law of agency, he represented the One true God.

good grief.. i thought your theology was strong.. i was wrong.. you needhelp bibleman

?

God is his own high priest?

Moses was a prophet but Jesus was more

Jesus is God's Son.

the Bible says so

Tbh idk why Christian's dont celebrate passover

Jesus is our passover.

It's an important part of the bible

he's our sabbath too

he sets us free and gives us rest

Messiah means God's anointed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKfEf-jGEk&t=214s watch this short vid

do you even know where the trinity doctrine originated?

I once read that Cyrus the Great was a Messiah

yes in the OT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCAZ3c7vwKY

wrong

the trinity is a babylonian thing

So is the flood

throughout the Bible God says he is ONE

bullcrap watch the SCRIPTURAL video it uses ONLY scripture

Deuteronomy 6:4-5

**Deuteronomy 6:4-5 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<4> Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: <5> And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. ```

ONE

not THREE

o well you love Jesus even though your theology sucks.. <:BigSmiles:556070613224259594>

watch the video bibleman

its sriptural

God refers to himself as singular way more than twice