Again I highly suggest you all stay Christian. I am not at all trying to lead you astray. Quite the opposite.

why are you deliberately choosing to be destroyed?

He’s not. He simply isn’t striving being more pleasing to God than he’s capable.

lest he should boast

John 5:46

**John 5:46 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<46> For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. ```

Yet he quotes not a verse. Why not? He does this a lot. Not actually quoting the supposed verses he is referring to,

Luke 24:30-34

**Luke 24:30-34 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<30> When he was at the table with them, he took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them. <31> Then their eyes were opened, and they recognized him; and he vanished from their sight. <32> They said to each other, "Were not our hearts burning within us while he was talking to us on the road, while he was opening the scriptures to us?" <33> That same hour they got up and returned to Jerusalem; and they found the eleven and their companions gathered together. <34> They were saying, "The Lord has risen indeed, and he has appeared to Simon!" ```

They believed because of what they felt. Their heart burning within them. Not because of what Jesus quoted from the Old Testament. Again it does not state a single verse he quoted.

Luke 24:27

**Luke 24:27 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<27> Then beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them the things about himself in all the scriptures. ```

interpreted unto them. Hello. How does that make sense. Why did he have to change what it actually said in the Old Testament. Is that interpreting it or is that something else? They understood the language of the Old Testament so it was not interpreting it. He was adding to what was said. Rewriting what was said. I see that a lot in the New Testament. When it quotes it actually is rewriting it. So Isaiah's young woman, his wife, becomes a virgin. The prophecy was fulfilled when she gave birth to Immanuel. Yet it is used again in the New Testament. Alma is not a virgin. Wrong Hebrew word.

Hey Steve.

Hope you're doing well.

@Derek Nelson How does the rapture work on the FE model?

Because I believe in a "rapture"

Or an event rather.

Well, I believe in the possibility of at least 2 events that are cosmic in nature

The first being, the stopping of the sun. Which I believe NOT because of LSC and his followers, But because scripturally, it has happenned before.

The 2nd phenomena,

Would be the failure of universal compression aka (gravity)

Universal compression in the CE model (Cell Earth) is essentially the energy of creation, that pushes things into place.

When the Ether stops being generated from the celestial sphere,

The effects of universal compression will end.

Which would cause people to rise, waters to boil, (Basically anything not tied down to get sucked into the celestial sphere)

But thsoe are the 2 plausibles that I'm aware of from a CE perspective.

Not sure how many different scenarios FE is looking at.

I don’t believe in the rapture.

You have no idea the scrutiny I’ve received for saying so.

Well, I might not have the idea, but I can believe it.

lol

Everywhere in scripture. It says we are kept from dangers. Not taken out entirely.

Daniel with the lions. Not kept from them, but wasn’t eaten.

The 3 who were thrown into Nebuchadnezzar’s fire. Put into the flame. But safeguarded from it.

It’s everywhere in scripture. Like how Christ died. He suffered it. But was not overcome.

We are not going to be magically dragged up into heaven to leave everyone to a terrible fate.

go to <#484514023698726912>

lol

Right?

My thoughts too.

Daniel was in the den for how long?

3 days?

interesting ..DEREK here is my question... Do you think that JESUS CHRIST who is "preparing His bride" on earth for His betrothal.. is ONCE again gonna let HIS BRIDE be massacred or have to go through the Tribulation and be tainted and harmed? I dont think He will let that happen.. its a moot point .. but the strange word " HARPATZO" is the "taking away " or taking out of the church in the end of days.. OF COURSE no one know for sure.. but i would like to think that CHRIST WILL come to save His bride. He wont let His bride be exposed to the Horror of the tribulation . That is my hope.

here are some great things to think about.. He uses scripture so not to confuse you. Just check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFTr53H9GIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvZ4aGLWTOs

Because the meaning of the word meditation has changed and it is now something deceptive, as it has a different meaning than what it used to be

The first meaning was a deep focused study and practice, now it is the exact opposite, clearing your mind and sitting there

They bamboozled the masses

Prayer and " meditation" are a good thing done properly

It's because they are following a false teaching and their body expresses it

Prayer and deep focused study on God's word

It is though

EVERYTHING is OF God

not about Him

not ONE THING you do ..see..or think is not OF God

its all God inspired

the initial phase of making His children and how they work is Godly.. " Made in His image"

true bro

1 Corinthians 10:31

**1 Corinthians 10:31 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<31> Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. ```

We all know Bacon was an atheist.

However, his method for proof is sound.

It’s not a coincidence his method was hailed by atheists and evolutionists, to just be discarded by them, when it proves both this world we live in, and evolution is nonsense.

Because it proves them wrong, their belief dictates they want nothing to do with proof.

They’re CRAZY.

Separating the art from the artist?

Are we both in the wrong channel

Get real.

Stop bullshitting me.

I swear we had this convo in the <#484514023698726912> but ok

Apparently you were a mere child years ago during argument between Christians and Atheists. We had to succumb to the scientific method, because we couldn’t prove God by that standard.

What argument? I was 5 years old

Now that very standard is what disproves con artists, atheists pretend they never wanted it.

There’s nothing wrong with observation, measurement, and experiment.

I can’t use it to prove God. And you cannot use it to prove a ball earth.

I'm pretty sure the argument you are referring to happened 80 years ago

By default, you have to admit we are being lied to about the size of earth. Unless you abhor Math.

Have a great day. Honestly.

For real.

Thanks

You too

what a DAY!! What a GLORIOUS DAY !!

💖

@Derek Nelson @Morning Dew

Dew

I'll pop in i guess. More to listen though.

what point were you getting at before the conversation derailed

i was never making any points. i was defending myself from a man who called me a liar, cursed at me, and questioned my faith, all whilst projecting those actions on me

i mean before that

he says that a true christian isn’t hounded by demons, i quoted psalms to show otherwise, he got mad and started projecting

mate i get tormented in my dreams by devils

they want me to fall back into lust

same here, he went off on me for no reason, even used the f word

i know it's demonic because some inception type stuff happens where i wake up and then wake up again after

same here man, same here. in my experience christian men who haven’t had any supernatural experiences start going insane whenever someone talks about their demons

like “WTF YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO BE SAVED HERETIC STOP LYING YOU PAGAN”

@Morning Dew you seem pretty defensive yourself I mean you called me a liar and I just brushed it off

well you’re an atheist globe believer, find that hard to wrap my head around when you’ve been around as long as you have and seen what you’ve seen, but maybe I did go overboard. theres no sense in calling someone a liar i suppose, forgive me

It's ok we all have our moments