ok, why?

they don't share our values

you are a fool

they more than likely will not assimilate

What is happening?

we're arguing about race and immigration

still tho they are helping to the economy and creating jobs

finding ways to divide humans only causes more conflict

How do you know they "don't" or "won't"?

they are not white, and only contribute to the decline of whites in the US

also many high skilled immigrants do assimilate

i couldn't give less of a shit about the decline of whites in the us

statistically they don't assimilate

The funny thing about capitlism is, when you work in the economy and follow the rules of the economy, you automatically have to submit to the rules of the value of the individual on some level

and even if they do, they still tend to stick together

tend only to associate with others of their own race/culture, etc

Yes, people develop tribes

yes

let's say we only allow skilled immigrants vobeyo

there aren't enough of them to develop racial tribes

when they're not white and they don't share our values that is bad

Just to understand some ground rules, what is your stance on legal immigration?

yes there are

enough skilled immigrants? no way

there are already racial tribes in the us

let's say there are only them

I'm posing an argument

I'm trying to paint a world where you would agree with some immigration lol

whites

Are you saying people who are white aren't allowed in America?

he's saying shouldn't be

South African whites and european whites

those are immigration scenarios I would allow

even in the case where they are skilled immigrant visas (approximating that definition to top 5% workers in any industry)

what if it turned out, that whites are inferior to some other race, for example the Japanese
what would you do?

so you're alt-right

lol

alt right

hahaha

oh you think you're too cool for the label k

@Roman Dmowski Explain to me your thought process right now. What's going through your head as you explain to us why us, whites, are superior to other races.

the japanese are actually a really good example

they have very high IQs, great work ethic, and tend to be very successful

look at Japan's immigration policies

very strict

they are 'racist'

but no one cares bc they are not white

so are you saying they shouldn't allow white people in?

yes they are almost an ethnostate

they want to preserve their culture

How do you think japan can get over its demographic issues in 30 years?

what demographic issues

When the ratio of old:young people is almost unbearable

I mean why would you wanna sail a boat to Japan in the first place when you are an immigrant

people able to work and contribute versus consumers

just start having more kids

because they don't have children

lol

I've always had a culture identity issue.

start promoting reproduction

What is our culture?

you don't need to import shitskins for that

Whew.

Referring to them as "shitskins", okay.

So let me understand you for a second.

Black people are bad?

not inherently no

Okay.

and obviously not all them are

Well yes.

So what is your thinking?

what you want is secluded sects of humans, separate from each other,
People who choose to separate us as a species, never do anything for the betterment of mankind

but the majority are and they are inherently inferior to whites

Yesa

yes

In what way?

that would be ideal tbh

IQ, ability to create lasting societies, work ethic, parenting

he's using race realism to justify all of it

ability to develop a successful culture

which makes sense, in a way

isn't that really just a personal issue

and also the argument for monoculture societies makes sense

no

and yes it does

But is monoculture about race, or is it about ideas?

I mean one black guy can be smart and the other not smart. Same for a white man, asian and so on.

I think a country has to be a monoculture in a sense to succeed

yes

which means monoracial

I really don't see how being black makes you Inferior to a white man.

monoculture = shared values that don't change. Can a human of any race adopt the same values?

Obviously, yes

humans cannot be inferior to each other

the reason, btw, that I rejected 'alt-right' is bc I am a fascist

lol

like there's not an ethical justification for that

Is their whole society being conquered their fault because they don't possess superior weapons to their opponents?

well no, but ethics don't matter

he's using average IQ to justify all of this

woah

there is no other argument

however average IQ isn't enough to go this far

An IQ number is nothing.

An IQ number is *something* and it matters

yes there is, and I have already stated the arguments

you just don't like them

ethics matter because that's how you govern actions

however it does not predicate that a human of a different race cannot adopt shared values

redpills are ugly and tough to swallow

@Logicpoints don't forget his assimilation bullshit

What are we arguing about?

race

I'm trying to wake them up

I find using a test my feeble 15 year old mind able to accomplish beyond the average and heightened average as a means to dictate superiority upon one race is utter blasphemy.

You're trying to turn us into racist fascists, by your own admission.

vobeyo, the only part of your argument that is inherent is average IQ across races. Which, yes, is (on average) lower in blacks. And IQ is 80% genetic as far as we know.

Parenting, culture change.

lol "racist fascists"

Do you agree with that?

My statement about your argument

no

it's not the only part of my argument and you know that

I said *inherent* part of your argument

since you're arguing about inherent value in humans

ideas can change

parenting can change

People can change.

the ability to form successful societies/cultures is, I would argue, also inherent

what is the "ability to form successful societies/cultures" made up of?

That is a very high level idea

break it down please

@Ultimus, I mean IQ is correlated and a great predictor of SES, likelihood to be an inventor, HDI, etc. So I mean, if there's differences in IQ we expext differences in what it predicts: which we see.

A study of 350,000 people from all backrounds found that people born of mixed races tended to be taller and have higher iq/cognitive function than people born of one race

since it is seen across history that different groups of humans (races) have different levels of success in creating such cultures

i disagree

you can disagree but that doesn't mean anything

Who's to say black people don't develop a random mutation making them psychically superior to that of Caucasians and oppress them, not even with intelligence but with brute force.

it's still correct

you have no historical evidence tho

they could

Then they exert their views as the superior race.

@shlendie
What was the base population of comparison?

If you think you're stupid, are you stupid?

random mutations are random and won't become part of the dominant race without intense eugenic breeding horizon

so dude if higher genetic diversity makes healthier humans, what's the point of keeping races serparated?

that is too unlikely to even argue

look at the African continent right now

It's unlikely that whites are superior.

the only country there remotely successful is South Africa

and that has whites

who are being killed by the way

I doubt having a country conquered and controlled by whites is a good measure to judge a race.

Africa's problem is Tribalism not Race.

🤔

@shlendie
Genetic diversity =/= superior or hybrid vigar. Look up outbreeding depression.

really?

@Deleted User the study claims to have looked at rural and urban areas but it doesn't say what country, likely the united states

Also the African Image is improving.

For that matter, a continent controlled by whites.

LOL

I doubt you believe the black people actually control that nation.

@Roman Dmowski let's assume 'ability to create an advanced culture' is based upon IQ. Do you think that could be accurate?

well yeah

look at Asians and Whites

ok

@shlendie, but what race are they comparing it to? If say, they're comparing mixed kids to aboriginals, then yes they're going to be taller and higher IQ since aboriginals are both low in those traits as a base population, lol.

successful cultures

it could be correlated

The living standard of the black people in Africa isn't controlled by blacks.

it may not be

Idk

how do you explain the mass of white people with IQ below 100 who have adopted the values of western culture that were invented by great philosophers?

I'm trying to get to the point

that lower IQ people can still adopt a culture, intelligence of their own aside

they're white

So?

race is a good predictor of culture

@Logicpoints, binomial probability and group means is how you explain whites adapting the culture.

No, it is not.

even though people can adopt their own cultures, race largely predicts what culture they adopt

I see white people stealing what blacks like to call, 'their culture' all the time.

@Deleted User in english are you trying to say that people adapt to/adopt the culture that is the majority around them?

You here of the meme, "my culture is not your god damn prom dress"?

We decided that we would be allowed to use whatever culture in whatever way.

Black people have no culture

@Logicpoints, no. Do you want a long or short explanation?

they took white culture and fractured it

Blasphemy.

Both @Deleted User

look at the way they speak english

they butchered the language

@Logicpoints, both? Greedy!

English isn't their culture.

It's what they've been forced to speak.

lol

that's a lefty argument

Ah.

culture can affect behaviour, but if a black man was raised with "western" ideals he would act the same as any other white person
humans adapt, instead of dividing us, seek to bring us all under one ideal and set of morals

I mean if you want to look at the situation of African countries as proof of black inferiority, you're missing something
You have to look at the legacy of what Europeans have done to Africans. During the slave trade, they encouraged Africans to go to war with each other to get prisoners. Europeans wanted to buy the best Africans to work their farms, so they took millions of Africa's best and most physically superior people out of Africa's gene pool. After, they superimposed borders and created countries completely arbitrary to African tribes, grouping waring tribes together and separating similar tribes. Then, they completely fucked over the land and extracted all resources from African countries. How can you expect them to recover from that? @Roman Dmowski

I figure I'm not allowed to assume then?

@Lucifer said it

I don't live in your country, I don't understand how it works over there.

oy vey here we go with white guilt

@Logicpoints, basically just because you have low IQ whites doesn't mean they can't adapt the culture *on average* because the more traits you take into account, the more likely they'll be average on all of these other group averages due to binomial probability.

Any individual human will act according to ideas they adopt

An individual human of any race is not hardcoded with these ideas

^

This is true.

You can teach a black person to act white.

how would they have gotten that way in the first place @shlendie

And you could take a human of every major racial group with the same IQ and give them the same ideas, and maybe you would have similar outcomes

I'm sticking on IQ because according to psych it's one of the best predictors of life success we have

@Deleted User reading your point

@Roman Dmowski guns, diseases, and steel

it's bc while they wuz kangz, whitey wuz actually doing things

lol

Nice

I remember that movie

Ah I see @Deleted User

Any individual in a group is held up by the average of that group

as a whitey myself i dont feel any guilt but i can recognize that europeans historically fucked over africans

Is your point

interesting points but it doesn't take into account what is really at play

that is very cucked of you

We have, but who's fault is it that the Africans could not fight for themselves?

the africans

No need for vulgar language sir.

And, why?

Kind of my point too, really, any individual in a group adopts the ideas of that group

They didn't develop what they needed to defend themselves, how is that anyone else's fault

they wuz kangz

And what if the correct classification for a group is not race but shared cultural ideas

whitey wuz livin in hutz n sheeeeeit

@Logicpoints, hence why you don't find people who have all of these godly traits different from the mean. People just deviate from the mean in a few traits but are average in everything else due to group means and probability.

And heck deviation from the mean is very likely correlated with IQ again

european weapons were largely evolved from asia, and geography allowed for the spread of those ideas but the barriers in africa prevented that technology from reaching many african places

@Logicpoints, depends on the trait, really. I know that IQ doesn't prodict instrumental skills.

you know which culture was far superior too many others of it's time? the industan culture, who had astronomer much before the rest of the world, the "white" people invaded and Destroyed this civilisation
could you not claim the whites were the "illegal immigrants" who ruined this culture destroying it's superior' ideals and monoculture?

True enough

Sounds true, anyway

Now, culturally speaking back then the blacks weren't capable enough to defend themselves and quickly were conquered.

are they still around today?

:thonk

no

what culture is still around today really lol

it's all changed so much

enlightenment culture is the only thing still around

Does culture really matter at all?

enlightenment culture?