#qotd (Discord ID: 452955238186614794) in The Right Cafe, page 2


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2018-06-10 22:10:40 UTC

I'm a fan of montessori model personally

2018-06-10 23:06:19 UTC

we're talking about high school too tho

2018-06-10 23:38:40 UTC

Montessori goes through hs

2018-06-10 23:39:35 UTC

At that level they are living in a boarding school with independence from family learning trades and selling things they make themselves

2018-06-10 23:39:47 UTC

going to ask a new qotd soon, can you guys move it to <#452955229227319306> potentially?

2018-06-10 23:40:22 UTC

Probably i just wanted to answer

2018-06-10 23:40:43 UTC

But montessori is awesome

2018-06-10 23:40:47 UTC

yeah ok

2018-06-10 23:40:57 UTC

i did montessori when i was little

2018-06-10 23:41:02 UTC

but i would hate to be doing that now

2018-06-11 02:43:54 UTC

It changes as you age

2018-06-11 02:44:17 UTC

You'd hate being able to explore topics you choose

2018-06-11 03:47:40 UTC

@here πŸ”– Daily Question
Should politicians be held accountable to a certain extent for the crimes of the people they invite in if they shield them? Do we need new laws. (Looking at you UK and your pedo gangs)

2018-06-11 03:49:06 UTC

If by 'held accountable' you mean ''should non-Goverment persons lining them up and shooting them, and the government pretending like it didn't happen'', then yes

2018-06-11 03:49:22 UTC

^

2018-06-11 03:50:15 UTC

@iwantfun no. But which ever gov in power during the instance of these crimes need to enforce the law, and exact justice

2018-06-11 03:50:28 UTC

I'm not really for governments coming after people though

2018-06-11 05:07:17 UTC

they should be charged with obstruction of justice.

2018-06-11 05:08:10 UTC

I think the politicians in question should be lambasted in the court of public opinion, but not legally, I guess. Even tho the court of public opinion just ignores those crimes.

2018-06-11 05:10:20 UTC

im focuseing on the shielding part if they shield known criminals as some do thats a crime.

2018-06-11 14:52:20 UTC

Just remove the laws shielding them

2018-06-11 14:52:23 UTC

don't make it more complicated

2018-06-11 14:52:32 UTC

when you have to add regulation on top of regulation to deal with the regulation it becomes hell

2018-06-11 14:52:51 UTC

And this would be too subjective and up for interpretation

2018-06-11 17:42:37 UTC

we should bring back Outlaw classifications

2018-06-11 19:40:03 UTC

You shouldn't bring ppl in without a plan for them

2018-06-11 19:40:54 UTC

If bringing them in means they arent able to work and find lawful means of supporting themselves then they shouldnt be there

2018-06-11 19:41:34 UTC

If they follow a law that is contrary to yours like sharia law you cant have it

2018-06-11 22:48:11 UTC

This is why I brought up open borders plus zero welfare state

2018-06-11 22:48:19 UTC

immigrants can come in but there is no support system for them

2018-06-11 22:48:31 UTC

Then supply and demand dictates how many immigrants want to come in

2018-06-11 22:48:46 UTC

And immigrants have to speak the language and adopt the basic values of the land to make it (keep a job)

2018-06-11 22:49:08 UTC

It seems like the market can just regulate how many workers are in it, right?

2018-06-11 22:49:22 UTC

And those who come in and can't support themselves, well, they will have to leave or be homeless. Reality is harsh.

2018-06-11 22:49:27 UTC

oh what's up @Lotus Calme

2018-06-11 22:49:29 UTC

ah yes the free market solves all problems

2018-06-11 22:49:38 UTC

eh

2018-06-11 22:49:51 UTC

what do you guys think of the theory

2018-06-11 22:50:00 UTC

I see how it makes people work but I don't necessarily see how it forces people to learn english and adopt western values

2018-06-11 22:50:40 UTC

But maybe that isn't necessary, maybe it's ok to have chinatowns and spanishtowns and muslimtowns if there's no support system and just the law and the market

2018-06-11 22:50:40 UTC

open borders?

2018-06-11 22:50:44 UTC

Yes

2018-06-11 22:50:46 UTC

no

2018-06-11 22:50:48 UTC

As it was in the early 1900s

2018-06-11 22:51:07 UTC

Open Borders defeats the purpose of being a sovereign nation

2018-06-11 22:51:26 UTC

ok, can you break down your reasoning please

2018-06-11 22:51:46 UTC

the way I see it immigrants can fulfill an economic need especially when a country isn't replacing itself fast enough (US) and balance out demographic issues that lead to not enough workforce

2018-06-11 22:51:58 UTC

the problem is when they have opposing values or don't work

2018-06-11 22:52:08 UTC

Well

2018-06-11 22:52:29 UTC

White people are set to lose their majority in the US if the current immigration trends continue

2018-06-11 22:52:44 UTC

and?

2018-06-11 22:52:47 UTC

Immigrants drag the economy down and take jobs from white people

2018-06-11 22:52:57 UTC

yes but WHY do they drag the economy down?

2018-06-11 22:52:59 UTC

immigrants don't drag the economy down

2018-06-11 22:53:06 UTC

what if they didn't get welfare and tax money

2018-06-11 22:53:07 UTC

that's not what the evidence says

2018-06-11 22:53:11 UTC

and they had to contribute, leave, or die

2018-06-11 22:53:12 UTC

most of the immigrants into this country do not share our values and have no desire to assimilate

2018-06-11 22:53:14 UTC

just like anyone who lives here

2018-06-11 22:53:34 UTC

and if the economy grows there's more jobs for everyone

2018-06-11 22:54:08 UTC

yes but how is the economy going to grow when the market will just be oversaturated with low skilled workers

2018-06-11 22:54:19 UTC

The only people dragging the economy down are the people who create less dollars in the economy than their life takes away.

2018-06-11 22:54:24 UTC

it makes the country asa whole less safe

2018-06-11 22:54:55 UTC

immigrants don't have to be low-skilled

2018-06-11 22:54:57 UTC

No the people dragging the country down are a) black people and b) the immigrants who were allowed in here bc of muh diversity

2018-06-11 22:55:02 UTC

oh open borders nvm

2018-06-11 22:55:33 UTC

I'm not convinced open borders is right

2018-06-11 22:55:40 UTC

it will never be

2018-06-11 22:55:54 UTC

but i am pretty convinced that anyone who matches the country's language, values, and works is a positive

2018-06-11 22:56:01 UTC

"black people" being a problem is due to welfare state.

2018-06-11 22:56:06 UTC

Look at the timing of the black family being crushed.

2018-06-11 22:56:06 UTC

no

2018-06-11 22:56:08 UTC

It's when welfare state came in.

2018-06-11 22:56:17 UTC

Yes. You should watch some Thomas Sowell from the 70s. He says the same thing.

2018-06-11 22:56:22 UTC

Right when the black family started to break statistically

2018-06-11 22:56:24 UTC

black people are a problem bc they are inherently inferior

2018-06-11 22:56:25 UTC

was right after welfare state came in.

2018-06-11 22:56:39 UTC
2018-06-11 22:56:41 UTC

they've been given everything they need and they still do not succeed

2018-06-11 22:56:42 UTC

Yes

2018-06-11 22:56:57 UTC

"black people are a problem bc they are inherently inferior"
dude, fuck off you utter plonker

2018-06-11 22:57:01 UTC

lmao

2018-06-11 22:57:14 UTC

vobeyo please look at the single-parent home statistics

2018-06-11 22:57:17 UTC

and the timing of them

2018-06-11 22:57:19 UTC

for black families

2018-06-11 22:57:25 UTC

"us white people have given the poor inferior black people all the things we think they need"

2018-06-11 22:57:26 UTC

and see that it coincides almost exactly with the increase of the welfare state

2018-06-11 22:57:27 UTC

look at crime stats, look at history

2018-06-11 22:57:34 UTC

you'd be paternalistic but instead you're just racist

2018-06-11 22:57:34 UTC

we have

2018-06-11 22:57:41 UTC

looool

2018-06-11 22:57:50 UTC

shut it down, the goyim know

2018-06-11 22:58:07 UTC

race doesn't decide shit

2018-06-11 22:58:20 UTC

we haven't given black people jack shit

2018-06-11 22:58:26 UTC

human evolution stopped a long time ago

2018-06-11 22:58:26 UTC

not even equal opportunity

2018-06-11 22:58:34 UTC

just welfare i guess so that's jack shit but whatever

2018-06-11 22:58:40 UTC

you give any people all the free shit and it actually *breaks* them

2018-06-11 22:58:42 UTC

Race decides a lot of things

2018-06-11 22:58:43 UTC

any people group

2018-06-11 22:58:47 UTC

calling one race inferior is bullshit

2018-06-11 22:58:50 UTC

and yes, there is an argument for IQ, genetics, and race realism.

2018-06-11 22:58:53 UTC

and we have given black people literally everything

2018-06-11 22:59:04 UTC

wtf are you talking about @Roman Dmowski

2018-06-11 22:59:06 UTC

But can you please explain why the black family functioned well before the welfare state

2018-06-11 22:59:11 UTC

that is false

2018-06-11 22:59:15 UTC

even a generous advantage in hiring procedures

2018-06-11 22:59:36 UTC

you just want to justify the fact that you are a racist

2018-06-11 22:59:42 UTC

exactly

2018-06-11 22:59:51 UTC

where is your evidence that the black family functioned well before the welfare state lol

2018-06-11 22:59:54 UTC

with some bullshit

2018-06-11 22:59:59 UTC

statistics vobeyo.

2018-06-11 23:00:04 UTC

what statistics

2018-06-11 23:00:05 UTC

black single parent home percentage over time

2018-06-11 23:00:43 UTC

single parent household percentages went up bc black people are lazy and their culture promotes that

2018-06-11 23:00:54 UTC

giving a people group extra free shit actually breaks that people group

2018-06-11 23:00:59 UTC

black people have unequal opportunity

2018-06-11 23:01:02 UTC

no @Roman Dmowski that's not true

2018-06-11 23:01:27 UTC

lol black people have more opportunity than whites and they still can't do jackshit

2018-06-11 23:01:27 UTC

black people do have unequal opportunity and you're still not disproving lp's point

2018-06-11 23:01:30 UTC

you're a fucking sicko mate,
stop making huge blanket statements about an entire race of humans

2018-06-11 23:01:32 UTC

you just made a biased claim

2018-06-11 23:01:43 UTC

um, no?

2018-06-11 23:01:48 UTC

and used it against fucking statistics

2018-06-11 23:02:29 UTC

"single parents went up cause welfare look at stats"
"well i think it was cause they're lazy and i'm right cause i say so"

2018-06-11 23:02:33 UTC

learn how to make an argument

2018-06-11 23:02:59 UTC

There *is* a separate point about Race and IQ which is true and really sucks. IQ is largely genetic. And racial history is genetic history. Jews and asians for example have the highest aggregate IQs.

Vobeyo is basing his arguments exclusively on this to say 'black people hopeless yo lololol'

2018-06-11 23:03:20 UTC

well

2018-06-11 23:03:21 UTC

However.

2018-06-11 23:03:23 UTC

Those are averages only.

2018-06-11 23:03:25 UTC

Jews are an outlier

2018-06-11 23:03:35 UTC

iq is mostly genetic but there are factors that influence it

2018-06-11 23:03:36 UTC

they are parasites

2018-06-11 23:03:37 UTC

And you can find sooo many lower IQ people who succeed.

2018-06-11 23:03:48 UTC

If not succeed, they contribute to society.

2018-06-11 23:03:52 UTC

malnourished people will tend to have lower iq's i think

2018-06-11 23:03:54 UTC

IQ alone cannot be the only factor here.

2018-06-11 23:03:57 UTC

There are outside factors too.

2018-06-11 23:04:00 UTC

Again, look at historical stats.

2018-06-11 23:04:06 UTC

you are the literal personification of a self-righteous arse

2018-06-11 23:04:21 UTC

please kindly fuck off you tit

2018-06-11 23:04:25 UTC

look at the mere fact that black people have never created a lasting, successful society

2018-06-11 23:04:36 UTC

lol this is the right cafe @Lucifer get used to it

2018-06-11 23:04:45 UTC

@Roman Dmowski you're historically incorrect but ok

2018-06-11 23:04:55 UTC

I for one enjoy the internet, it's the only place people feel free to argue these opinions

2018-06-11 23:04:56 UTC

and argue them we must

2018-06-11 23:05:00 UTC

so let's do it

2018-06-11 23:05:01 UTC

lol

2018-06-11 23:05:02 UTC

I'm not saying anything self-righteous or historically inaccurate

2018-06-11 23:05:03 UTC

mali and egypt come to mind

2018-06-11 23:05:15 UTC

you guys don't want to argue an opinion bc you don't like it

2018-06-11 23:05:29 UTC

i do want to argue the opinion

2018-06-11 23:05:34 UTC

because it's wrong and harmful

2018-06-11 23:05:44 UTC

Look

2018-06-11 23:06:00 UTC

reality is tragic, wrong, and harmful. And IQ does change between races. And it unfortunately must be talked about it.

2018-06-11 23:06:06 UTC

However, it does not change the value of humans whatsoever.

2018-06-11 23:06:10 UTC

> egypt
not entirely black

2018-06-11 23:06:12 UTC

And people of lower IQ can contribute and be stable

2018-06-11 23:06:13 UTC

> mali

2018-06-11 23:06:15 UTC

shithole

2018-06-11 23:06:21 UTC

wut

2018-06-11 23:06:35 UTC

have you ever studied african history?

2018-06-11 23:06:41 UTC

even for like 10 minutes

2018-06-11 23:06:41 UTC

you're just wrong

2018-06-11 23:06:44 UTC

ooga booga

2018-06-11 23:06:45 UTC

on mali anyways

2018-06-11 23:06:46 UTC

there

2018-06-11 23:06:49 UTC

african history

2018-06-11 23:07:04 UTC

that's pretty blatant racism

2018-06-11 23:07:05 UTC

dude look at how mali is doing rn

2018-06-11 23:07:12 UTC

their hdi is so fucking low

2018-06-11 23:07:30 UTC

empires don't have to last until the present to be successful

2018-06-11 23:07:32 UTC

@Roman Dmowski how much factor do you think the 'brain drain' has on modern africa?

2018-06-11 23:07:40 UTC

e.g., all smart people can get out and go to a better place

2018-06-11 23:07:42 UTC

so they never fix their own

2018-06-11 23:07:55 UTC

one of the poorest countries in the world

2018-06-11 23:07:56 UTC

cycle of poverty

2018-06-11 23:08:14 UTC

lol

2018-06-11 23:08:15 UTC

This video is an explanation of it in a few minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

2018-06-11 23:08:21 UTC

Vobeyo do you have an opinion on the 'brain drain' point?

2018-06-11 23:08:31 UTC

Those who are very smart and skilled in Africa don't stay because they can get to the west and the west lets them in

2018-06-11 23:08:35 UTC

because we like to let smart people in obviously

2018-06-11 23:08:40 UTC

well it's a huge reach

2018-06-11 23:08:51 UTC

how much of a factor do you think it is?

2018-06-11 23:08:59 UTC

how would the intelligent people gain the resources to be able to leave

2018-06-11 23:09:00 UTC

let's say IQ is a really big deal and a big reason

2018-06-11 23:09:06 UTC

not a factor

2018-06-11 23:09:17 UTC

The 130-150 IQ people in Africa are able to be relatively successful there and gather enough money to leave

2018-06-11 23:09:22 UTC

@Roman Dmowski us is pretty good about aiding high skilled immigration

2018-06-11 23:09:23 UTC

and they do, because they can be wayyyyyyyyyy better off

2018-06-11 23:09:30 UTC

we shouldn't be

2018-06-11 23:09:33 UTC

tbh

2018-06-11 23:09:37 UTC

yes, and it's a good point

2018-06-11 23:09:41 UTC

it's good for the us

2018-06-11 23:09:43 UTC

no

2018-06-11 23:09:43 UTC

that skilled immigration is immoral and hurts other countries

2018-06-11 23:09:45 UTC

it isn't

2018-06-11 23:09:51 UTC

it is vobeyo

2018-06-11 23:09:55 UTC

it hurts all

2018-06-11 23:10:02 UTC

I've worked with several smart indian and asian immigrants who contribute so much value

2018-06-11 23:10:08 UTC

it's obviously useful

2018-06-11 23:10:10 UTC

okay

2018-06-11 23:10:14 UTC

If you can have a top 1% worker in any industry working with you

2018-06-11 23:10:18 UTC

net benefit or net detriment to you?

2018-06-11 23:10:22 UTC

that may be true but they are still harming the US

2018-06-11 23:10:37 UTC

what statistics do you have

2018-06-11 23:10:43 UTC

they're not white in a country that is supposed to be for whites

2018-06-11 23:10:52 UTC

Is it about race or values?

2018-06-11 23:10:52 UTC

I have the decline of the white majority in the US

2018-06-11 23:10:58 UTC

both

2018-06-11 23:11:03 UTC

usa is not supposed to be for whites

2018-06-11 23:11:10 UTC

race and values tend to be closely intertwined

2018-06-11 23:11:12 UTC

yes it is

2018-06-11 23:11:14 UTC

@Roman Dmowski let's say skilled immigrants are 0.01% of immigrants.

2018-06-11 23:11:20 UTC

well fuck that

2018-06-11 23:11:21 UTC

In that case, it makes no difference demographically.

2018-06-11 23:11:21 UTC

it was founded as an ethnostate

2018-06-11 23:11:25 UTC

Assuming your race argument is correct.

2018-06-11 23:11:38 UTC

well there's no reason it should be

2018-06-11 23:12:00 UTC

look he's a racist we can argue "but muh racist"

2018-06-11 23:12:03 UTC

or we could argue the points

2018-06-11 23:12:04 UTC

lol

2018-06-11 23:12:31 UTC

yeah it's just tricky cause for most of my life i've just assumed racism is bad

2018-06-11 23:12:32 UTC

you don't have to assume, it is correct πŸ˜ƒ

2018-06-11 23:12:34 UTC

the facts are way more interesting

2018-06-11 23:12:39 UTC

and then i came here

2018-06-11 23:12:41 UTC

racism is not bad

2018-06-11 23:12:42 UTC

so vobeyo let's just assume

2018-06-11 23:12:50 UTC

that's what's so funny

2018-06-11 23:12:58 UTC

via skilled immigrant visas (easier to get), we immigrate only the top 5% workers from any industry

2018-06-11 23:13:02 UTC

you've been taught your whole life to reject racsim

2018-06-11 23:13:03 UTC

and they are 0.0001% of immigrants

2018-06-11 23:13:03 UTC

racism

2018-06-11 23:13:06 UTC

is that a net good or bad to US

2018-06-11 23:13:16 UTC

depends on the country

2018-06-11 23:13:27 UTC

nations that don't share our values and race = bad

2018-06-11 23:13:28 UTC

let's say asian, indian, african. the non-whites

2018-06-11 23:13:31 UTC

bad

2018-06-11 23:13:36 UTC

even saudi-arabian

2018-06-11 23:13:39 UTC

bad

2018-06-11 23:13:43 UTC

Hello.

2018-06-11 23:13:47 UTC

let's say you bring in the top 5% workers who will contribute 10x the value.

2018-06-11 23:13:52 UTC

in my industry we call them '10x developers'

2018-06-11 23:13:53 UTC

still bad

2018-06-11 23:13:55 UTC

What is the "question of the day"?

2018-06-11 23:14:32 UTC

what if they help work for some of the companies that help consumers the most?

2018-06-11 23:14:37 UTC

still bad

2018-06-11 23:14:38 UTC

and contribute some of the most to US GDP and US economy

2018-06-11 23:14:42 UTC

bad

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