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2018-06-24 07:21:47 UTC

Neo as a prefix for ideology doesn't necessarily mean new. Neo-Nazism won't be not neo-Nazism in a century if it's the same ideas.

2018-06-24 07:21:48 UTC

it literally just means new

2018-06-24 07:22:12 UTC

It means a detraction from original ideas.

2018-06-24 07:22:35 UTC

Neo-imperialism is different from imperialism, neo-Nazism is different from Nazism.

2018-06-24 07:22:48 UTC

go look in chat

2018-06-24 07:23:18 UTC

Yeah I see that.

2018-06-24 07:23:32 UTC

But that's semantics. It doesn't mean anything.

2018-06-24 07:23:45 UTC

thats my point for fucks sake

2018-06-24 07:24:03 UTC

Neo-imperialism is "new" imperialism because intranational governments made direct conquest impossible. It won't ever be not neo-imperialism simply because it's old.

2018-06-24 07:24:28 UTC

but in 10 years what do we call neo neo imperialism

2018-06-24 07:24:38 UTC

We won't because it will be the same.

2018-06-24 07:24:52 UTC

its like calling a city New York

2018-06-24 07:25:02 UTC

It's not like that at all.

2018-06-24 07:25:08 UTC

fake news

2018-06-24 07:25:28 UTC

lol

2018-06-24 07:25:33 UTC

how is it not?

2018-06-24 07:26:21 UTC

so what makes you think there cant be a second form of neo nazi or neo conservitive?

2018-06-24 07:26:42 UTC

Assigning New to city names was a gimmick to attract people in the Americas with the assumption it will be similar to the European city, in this case York. Assigning neo as a prefix to an ideology means it's a detraction from original ideas.

2018-06-24 07:26:51 UTC

They're not related concepts at all.

2018-06-24 07:27:11 UTC

wew lad its the same word

2018-06-24 07:27:22 UTC

But very clearly not conceptually related.

2018-06-24 07:27:41 UTC

sure but to say their not related is false

2018-06-24 07:27:51 UTC

I don't think there can't be a third iteration of ideas.

2018-06-24 07:28:14 UTC

The only way they're related is semantically, not conceptually. Arguing over that is further semantics.

2018-06-24 07:28:24 UTC

in the history of forever there has alwasy been a new form of something

2018-06-24 07:28:38 UTC

But has it ever been called neo-neo-X?

2018-06-24 07:28:47 UTC

not yet

2018-06-24 07:29:01 UTC

Why assume it as an absolute that it will?

2018-06-24 07:29:04 UTC

Nazi ideology is still less than 100 years old

2018-06-24 07:29:26 UTC

Nazi ideology is completely different from neo-Nazism. That's why they're separate concepts.

2018-06-24 07:29:34 UTC

The only similarity is racial materialism.

2018-06-24 07:29:44 UTC

Most neo-Nazis are just social reactionaries.

2018-06-24 07:30:00 UTC

no I dont assume anything is absolute thats the point im making

2018-06-24 07:30:13 UTC

So you're a postmodernist. 😎

2018-06-24 07:30:52 UTC

sure if assumptions are now reality you post modernist

2018-06-24 07:31:55 UTC

Postmodernism is just a rejection of metanarratives ("big stories" in Lyotard's original French).

2018-06-24 07:32:13 UTC

Which fascism absolutely is. It's a metanarrative, a set of premises and a worldview.

2018-06-24 07:32:29 UTC

That's why fascists hate postmodernism.

2018-06-24 07:32:37 UTC

And why everyone on the right does as well.

2018-06-24 07:32:56 UTC

It conflicts with fundamentalism, which usually entails religion for a lot of the right.

2018-06-24 07:33:15 UTC

right < haha you see what I did there?

2018-06-24 07:33:55 UTC

so I write stand up

2018-06-24 07:34:04 UTC

The right conserve everything including injustice, the left destroys everything even goodness.

2018-06-24 07:34:44 UTC

Im working on a bit that involves the fact that Fascism is typically antisemetic but also christian which means they worship a jew.

2018-06-24 07:35:31 UTC

Which fascists were Christian?

2018-06-24 07:35:51 UTC

im still working on it but most fascist I speak to are

2018-06-24 07:36:08 UTC

Clerical fascism is kind of dumb.

2018-06-24 07:36:11 UTC

they could just be larpers though

2018-06-24 07:36:23 UTC

It's just fascism-lite in practice, like Salazar.

2018-06-24 07:36:35 UTC

Was hitler not fascist?

2018-06-24 07:36:40 UTC

But Codreanu was a hardcore religious nationalist and is unique for that reason as a fascist.

2018-06-24 07:36:48 UTC

Yes Hitler was a fascist.

2018-06-24 07:37:09 UTC

hitler encouraged christianity

2018-06-24 07:37:24 UTC

It's not like that.

2018-06-24 07:37:41 UTC

in laymans terms it is though

2018-06-24 07:38:06 UTC

Elements within the NSDAP encouraged positive Christianity as a more esoteric Christianity that focused more on loyalty to the Party which was especially important in the Catholic south.

2018-06-24 07:38:13 UTC

But Hitler personally was ambivalent to religion.

2018-06-24 07:38:24 UTC

And was not a Christian himself.

2018-06-24 07:38:29 UTC

sure

2018-06-24 07:38:46 UTC

Long-term broadly the NSDAP wanted a neo-Pagan religion for Germany.

2018-06-24 07:38:52 UTC

Especially the SS.

2018-06-24 07:38:54 UTC

so his fascist regime promoted christianity

2018-06-24 07:39:07 UTC

No, that'd be disingenuous to claim.

2018-06-24 07:39:09 UTC

you the one going into semantics here not me

2018-06-24 07:39:19 UTC

Positive Christianity wasn't very big.

2018-06-24 07:39:42 UTC

How is it semantical?

2018-06-24 07:39:58 UTC

hmm its splitting hairs

2018-06-24 07:40:12 UTC

You made the claim Hitler promoted Cheistianity which is plainly false. Semantics doesn't mean splitting hairs, it means an argument based around definitions.

2018-06-24 07:40:35 UTC

my bad its 4 AM

2018-06-24 07:41:15 UTC

What group is it then that promotes antisemitism and christianity?

2018-06-24 07:41:30 UTC

" In 1937, Hans Kerrl, the Nazi Minister for Church Affairs, explained that "Positive Christianity" was not "dependent upon the Apostle's Creed", nor was it dependent on "faith in Christ as the son ofGod", upon which Christianity relied, rather, it was represented by the Nazi Party: "The Führer is the herald of a new revelation", he said."

2018-06-24 07:41:52 UTC

oh ok

2018-06-24 07:43:02 UTC

is it the Alt-Right?

2018-06-24 07:43:04 UTC

Plenty of clerical fascists are Christians that are also anti-Semitic, supposedly under the assumption that Jesus was a Christian and not a Jew and that Jews killed Jesus.

2018-06-24 07:43:07 UTC

Which is a huge meme because Cheistianity would not become distinct as a religion instead of as a sect of Judaism until the 300's.

2018-06-24 07:46:32 UTC

Im still gonna tell the joke

2018-06-24 07:48:03 UTC

Woke

2018-06-24 12:34:10 UTC

@everyone 🔖 daily question
"Who is the best and who is the worst president in your opinion, Why?"

2018-06-24 12:35:20 UTC

Best president: Obama

2018-06-24 12:35:44 UTC

I hope that's a meme

2018-06-24 12:35:44 UTC

Worst president: Trump

2018-06-24 12:37:17 UTC

Best: JFK due to the support ofthe civil Rights movement and the lowering of taxes. Worst: Trump due to clear corruption, human rights abuses, blatant biggotry and undemocratic election

2018-06-24 12:37:24 UTC

Bush is close behind imo

2018-06-24 12:38:02 UTC

Best: Clinton, come on who doesn't like blow jobs?
Worst Trump, wants to fuck his own daughter.

2018-06-24 12:38:30 UTC

The fact that Trump gets to not be castrated is appalling

2018-06-24 12:38:34 UTC

Best: Andrew Jackson
Worst: Abraham Lincoln

2018-06-24 12:38:47 UTC

Wew

2018-06-24 12:39:08 UTC

I'm assuming you're racist?

2018-06-24 12:39:40 UTC

Whoa pal

2018-06-24 12:39:49 UTC

Best: Alexander Hamilton. As the first black president I have to love him

2018-06-24 12:39:50 UTC

That's a mighty big leap

2018-06-24 12:40:08 UTC

Lincoln is generally considered the best president by historians

2018-06-24 12:40:16 UTC

The only reason not to like him is racism

2018-06-24 12:40:26 UTC

Lol

2018-06-24 12:40:38 UTC

I dislike lincoln and am not racist

2018-06-24 12:40:50 UTC

Best: Jackson or Jefferson
Worst: Obama

2018-06-24 12:40:54 UTC

"If you don't agree with me you're racist"

2018-06-24 12:40:58 UTC

Ok libtard

2018-06-24 12:40:58 UTC

I dont hate the emacipation proclimation but he had some other bad ideas

2018-06-24 12:41:04 UTC

Furthermore, Andrew Jackson refused to enforce Georgia vs. Cherokee Nation, which caused the trail of tears due to his Indian Removal Act of 1830

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