^

now daz smart

Nah, humans survived up until a couple hundred years ago without vaccines, that is not enough

It definitely is.

Viruses have changed, our immune systems have not had much time to actually adapt.

Due to vaccines.

If you got rid of it you would have people die of the flu. :P

Also

This is off topic.

I'm going to the chat.

no no no

Do you take the flu vaccine?

well the thing is

bnaning vaccines would wipe out most humans

This is about ultimate conservationism

but not all

Ooooh

Honestly though, I haven't gotten the flu in a long time.

I'm not sure what effect it would have on me now.

I've never taken the flu vaccine once

It's not adults that die of the flu.

It's kids and seniors.

Do it African style, have enough kids to outbreed the disease

well, it works

oh shit

They may all have aids, but they still manage to reach adulthood

ZA is here

were all doomed

PLEASE

GOD

MERCY

MERCY

ZA has been here forever.

AHHHHHHHHHH

PLEAS

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

AHHH

SHES BACK

Better workers. Loyalty shouldnt have to be taught. Loyalty to nationhood comes when the nation is structured organically and in everyone's best interest

What was the question again?

Complete Loyalty isn’t very plausible in democracy

Rip

Objective

Subjectie

subjective, 100%

if there’s one thing i’ve learned from being here it’s that lmao

Objective

Morality is a construct and as such it is objective in the eyes of the one who created the moral system. The definition of morality would support this notion.

Natural rights + evolutionary psychology = basic standard of morality every remotely successful society has ever held.

There are even extents to which morality extends i.e.: how right, or wrong something is.

E.g. Killing is wrong, but under circumstance it is accepted.

Murder <:unequal:473954748517842954> killing

I didn't say murder.

Should have put it other way around

Killing is not wrong under most every moral system

Murder is though

A life is a life regardless of what is chosen to do with it. I'm not saying that killing can not be justified.

But the fact that you just said "every moral system" contradicts your statement that morality is objective.

As if there was an objective morality, there would be no systems.

Like I said, basically all moral systems make a distinction between the two. Killing is an amoral act.

There would just be morality.

Right and wrong.

Moral systems <:unequal:473954748517842954> morality

surely the fact that there’s an argument at all about this should show that morality isn’t objective

Exactly.

Lol not even close

The fact that you have to convince people of an objective morality shows there is no objective.

That it is fluid and dynamic.

We can argue about fact of whether there is a god or not, the fact there is a disagreement doesn't make God's existence subjective

God's existence is not subjective.

You don't need to agree on an objective truth for it to be objective

It is objective, as Good exists, or does not exist.

And the objective reality is that there is no way to know for certain.

That is what faith is.

i mean imo unless there’s indisputable evidence to back something up then it’s subjective

so from my point of view god’s existance would be subjective

@ham addition that's not how objectivity works

Though

You could say that all systems is morality are objective.

Subjectivity means there is no right answer. Objectivity means there is a right answer, whether we know what the right answer is or not

No.

It means that a person's judgment based on facts can not be swayed by opinion, or feeling.

So if there were facts to support both arguments, both could be objective. By the definition of the word.

Then it is a matter of who is more right.

i mean you can’t really solidly prove that god exists with facts, all we can go off is opinions

I wouldn't call Faith an opinion.

subjective

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 faith is an opinion

Definition of objective

1a : relating to or existing as an object of thought without consideration of independent existence —used chiefly in medieval philosophy

b : of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers :having reality independent of the mind objective reality

if its not opinion, its fact

and we all know faith isnt fact

no matter how hard you believe in it, we dont use god in science or mathematics

yes

A search for what God is, is what sent us down the path of discovery.

^

k what’s the connection

A hunger for knowledge of why it is that God did what he did.

Which lead to philosophy, which lead to modern science.

Now we argue over what is right, or wrong, and gauge how right something is compared to another.

Morality is objective, meaning it has a truth element outside of the mind. Moral systems are constructs built off of that objective truth