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Better workers. Loyalty shouldnt have to be taught. Loyalty to nationhood comes when the nation is structured organically and in everyone's best interest

What was the question again?

Complete Loyalty isn’t very plausible in democracy

Rip

Objective

Subjectie

subjective, 100%

if there’s one thing i’ve learned from being here it’s that lmao

Objective

Morality is a construct and as such it is objective in the eyes of the one who created the moral system. The definition of morality would support this notion.

Natural rights + evolutionary psychology = basic standard of morality every remotely successful society has ever held.

There are even extents to which morality extends i.e.: how right, or wrong something is.

E.g. Killing is wrong, but under circumstance it is accepted.

Murder <:unequal:473954748517842954> killing

I didn't say murder.

Should have put it other way around

Killing is not wrong under most every moral system

Murder is though

A life is a life regardless of what is chosen to do with it. I'm not saying that killing can not be justified.

But the fact that you just said "every moral system" contradicts your statement that morality is objective.

As if there was an objective morality, there would be no systems.

Like I said, basically all moral systems make a distinction between the two. Killing is an amoral act.

There would just be morality.

Right and wrong.

Moral systems <:unequal:473954748517842954> morality

surely the fact that there’s an argument at all about this should show that morality isn’t objective

Exactly.

Lol not even close

The fact that you have to convince people of an objective morality shows there is no objective.

That it is fluid and dynamic.

We can argue about fact of whether there is a god or not, the fact there is a disagreement doesn't make God's existence subjective

God's existence is not subjective.

You don't need to agree on an objective truth for it to be objective

It is objective, as Good exists, or does not exist.

And the objective reality is that there is no way to know for certain.