That's correct, but the existence of limbo suggests a stage between Heaven and Hell.

Likewise for Peter 3:19.

The concept of absolution after death before Heaven is in scripture.

Just because purgatory itself is not explicitly mentioned doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It's theologically sound.

yeah but it only applies to pre-flood people

"Purgatory" is just a word, like the trinity which also is not mentioned in the Bible.

Yet Christians believe in the trinity.

Except for Arians.

G*rmans

the trinity is less contrived

more logical

Corinthians 3:15

If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

If you go to Hell you are not saved. If you're consigned to flames as an act of purification then how can that be Hell?

I think the case for a transition that isn't Heaven or Hell is strong.

You can receive absolution after death.

wait but don't you have to get your sins absolved and then those sins are burned away in purgatory?

Christ refers to this I believe.

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

gtg good discussion

Cya.

poll: who you votin for ? or if you could vote
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anyone have that video about poland with the jewish council deciding its future @here ?

never mind, I found it

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Let it be known that @εïз irma εïз was so butthurt at me calling her an ignorant American that she permamuted me on her server

Cannot say I have ever met anyone with thinner skin nor a more pathetic safe space hugbox of a server than hers

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@Doctor Anon You know Irma’s servers been dm advertising everyone

Her server has been more dead than this one

I blame her moderation attitude

Muting people for calling you ignorant is sign of insecure power thirsty teenagers at the helms of the room

Sieg heil

hey alt right fags

you got hacked epic style by antifa

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/184628629

Kool

For sure that's exactly what happened Otter.

Hallo, I come from the Greater Red Panda Reich.

@Deleted User le antifa btfos right wing discords!

Like that list is going to do jack shit

I just randomly found out that I have all of the same body measurements as Avril Lavigne so that’s pretty weird

oh wow

How interesting

Funny. I just randomly found out I have all of the same body measurements of Samwise Gamgee so that’s pretty weird.

Let Antifa do their worse. They can spam in my Discord all they want. I’ll just delete the chats and ban them. They’re blocked from commenting everywhere that matters. Whatever.

I thought those people who raided were Nazis?

They were spamming Siege stuff?

wait what happened with antifa

oh cool

this is the only one that i’m in

and i’m fairly certain i’ve never said anything remotely alt-right or any of those things here so i’d say i’m fine

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Even one is an outrage

how do you know they’re teenagers 🤔🤔🤔🤔

Did they post dic pix

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@antifa if you are reading this then i just want to say that i hate these guys

Barnie Sanders had a pretty good proposal recently:
"Col. Barnie Sanders (I-VT) and Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) have introduced a bill that would tax companies like Amazon and Walmart for the cost of employees’ food stamps and other public assistance. Sanders’ Stop Bad Employers by Zeroing Out Subsidies Act (abbreviated “Stop BEZOS”) — along with Khanna’s House of Representatives counterpart, the Corporate Responsibility and Taxpayer Protection Act — would institute a 100 percent tax on government benefits that are granted to workers at large companies."

So then businesses won't hire poor people and will become unprofitable if they don't.

Sanders is the biggest fucking idiot in the world when it comes to anything involving fiscal responsibility.

Id rather than abolish the welfare state in the first place.

Right now Walmart is able to charge artificially low prices because it's able to pay artificially low wages. It turns a profit doing this only because it's tax subsidized. I would rather companies actually provide goods and services at the price they actually cost, rather than supporting the business most able to capture regulations. A law like this would mean that everyone in the work force would actually be supporting themselves, as opposed to some weird mixture of wealth redistribution and slave labor for corporations who can underpay.

I agree with the sentiment, no way should tax payers be subsidising private business because they pay too little wages. The top tech billionaires are stupidly wealthy and can afford higher wages.

"Stupidly wealthy" is always a fallacious accusation because most wealth for business owners is reinvested in the economy, not hoarded.

That's why rich people get richer.

If they hoarded their money they wouldn't get richer.

Im not saying its not, I am for a free market, but government programs are interfering in the free market of labour

by subsidising underproductive people

You also are not entitled to high wages. You're entitled to wages that reflect your human capital. A boxboy isn't entitled to a high wage.

Cashiers should be making minimum wage.

There should be no minimum wage at all

No cashiers should make whatever it costs to hire a cashier, not the difference between welfare and what it takes to hire a cashier

You get whatever someone is willing to pay, and you are willing to accept.

Win/Win

Rather than a government like New York paying to subsidize poor people to live in the city and work as Baristas in Manhattan, the businesses in the city should be subject to market forces that require them to pay higher wages or lose their baristas.

im with odin, god of economics on this one

Irma is right for once

Now... the issue of the safety net. Because where are legitimate areas of government power to be applied?

You've yet to prove me wrong. So that's 100% accuracy.

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@Omniconsumerproducts It's hard to say what a good welfare policy is given the problems with central planning

But if we're going to be giving out "gibs" I'd rather it be uniform so that there's no incentive to being a piece of shit loafer

To naively put forward a suggestion, I'd say some uncomfortably low UBI which increases with years worked and which your employer 100% takes over if they hire you

Defence is legit, citizenship duties.

But if we're going to be giving out "gibs" I'd rather it be uniform so that there's no incentive to being a piece of shit loafer

Or just don't "help" people

UBI could be a good temporary solution from the mess of the current one.

Nope

I want none whatso ever, but if it means eliminating a huge branch of government waste, corruption and inefficiency in one fell swoop....

@Milk
If UBI is on net cheaper than the current welfare scheme AND it eliminates the ability for people to game the system then I support it

I dont see how its a worse solution that letting its rotton corpse lumber on.

I would rather the Federal government wasnt involved in welfare, but if they're going to do it either way, I'd prefer the best system of welfare

Yup

How about a solution where the goberment doesn't steal my money

Yea go on then, after you with how you get there.

Alright dude, let's say you're 4 years old and your parents take you to burger king