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initially it was definitely good
when it was just charity for the poor
but that's not what it was at the time of the reformation
According to Luther.
also, again, purgatory was made up by the church
yeah, cause an archbishop near luther was selling indulgences to pay back a loan
When?
seems kind of corrupt
When was purgatory invented?
idk when purgatory was invented
but there's no scriptural evidence
Limbo of the Fathers.
Peter 3:19
There's plenty of evidence for it.
Purgatory far preceded indulgences.
limbo's different than purgatory i think
That's correct, but the existence of limbo suggests a stage between Heaven and Hell.
Likewise for Peter 3:19.
The concept of absolution after death before Heaven is in scripture.
Just because purgatory itself is not explicitly mentioned doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
yeah but it only applies to pre-flood people
"Purgatory" is just a word, like the trinity which also is not mentioned in the Bible.
Yet Christians believe in the trinity.
Except for Arians.
G*rmans
the trinity is less contrived
more logical
Corinthians 3:15
If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
If you go to Hell you are not saved. If you're consigned to flames as an act of purification then how can that be Hell?
I think the case for a transition that isn't Heaven or Hell is strong.
You can receive absolution after death.
wait but don't you have to get your sins absolved and then those sins are burned away in purgatory?
Christ refers to this I believe.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
gtg good discussion
Cya.
poll: who you votin for ? or if you could vote
🇦 trump
🇧 hillary
🇨 bernie
anyone have that video about poland with the jewish council deciding its future @here ?
never mind, I found it