"Stupidly wealthy" is always a fallacious accusation because most wealth for business owners is reinvested in the economy, not hoarded.

That's why rich people get richer.

If they hoarded their money they wouldn't get richer.

Im not saying its not, I am for a free market, but government programs are interfering in the free market of labour

by subsidising underproductive people

You also are not entitled to high wages. You're entitled to wages that reflect your human capital. A boxboy isn't entitled to a high wage.

Cashiers should be making minimum wage.

There should be no minimum wage at all

No cashiers should make whatever it costs to hire a cashier, not the difference between welfare and what it takes to hire a cashier

You get whatever someone is willing to pay, and you are willing to accept.

Win/Win

Rather than a government like New York paying to subsidize poor people to live in the city and work as Baristas in Manhattan, the businesses in the city should be subject to market forces that require them to pay higher wages or lose their baristas.

im with odin, god of economics on this one

Irma is right for once

Now... the issue of the safety net. Because where are legitimate areas of government power to be applied?

You've yet to prove me wrong. So that's 100% accuracy.

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@Omniconsumerproducts It's hard to say what a good welfare policy is given the problems with central planning

But if we're going to be giving out "gibs" I'd rather it be uniform so that there's no incentive to being a piece of shit loafer

To naively put forward a suggestion, I'd say some uncomfortably low UBI which increases with years worked and which your employer 100% takes over if they hire you

Defence is legit, citizenship duties.

But if we're going to be giving out "gibs" I'd rather it be uniform so that there's no incentive to being a piece of shit loafer

Or just don't "help" people

UBI could be a good temporary solution from the mess of the current one.

Nope

I want none whatso ever, but if it means eliminating a huge branch of government waste, corruption and inefficiency in one fell swoop....

@Milk
If UBI is on net cheaper than the current welfare scheme AND it eliminates the ability for people to game the system then I support it

I dont see how its a worse solution that letting its rotton corpse lumber on.

I would rather the Federal government wasnt involved in welfare, but if they're going to do it either way, I'd prefer the best system of welfare

Yup

How about a solution where the goberment doesn't steal my money

Yea go on then, after you with how you get there.

Alright dude, let's say you're 4 years old and your parents take you to burger king

You can pick something on the menu, or you can go home hungry - there is no going to McDonalds

Or I can eat the food in my house

Yeah, you can say how we SHOULD have gone to McDonalds and I may agree with you

But since the rest of the country insists on going to Burger King, we have to choose something from this menu

You sound like you just read your first book on Austrian economics and want to leap into the promised land instantly. @Milk

No, when I work I earn money

When the goverment takes it I don't earn as much as I should

What do you mean when you work? You mean when you engage in actions which are only rational given the presence of a large defensive apparatus that maintains the system of property rights?

We have a potential plan, to reduce government spending on welfare by lets say... 50% to be conservative. Now, we all want a much higher reduction in the state spending so less of our own money is needed in taxes and we all get richer. BUT you are saying 100% or nothing and wont play the smart game, crying "Wahhh muh morals."