Humans are the only ones to have consciousness as far as we can prove

It's up to you to prove they have it, not on me to prove they dont

Ok, les look at cetaceans (whales n' doliphins) real quick

i think sentient is the correct word you're looking for

not conscious

studies have shown they have more complex brains

Sentient is a better term, yea

so claiming humans are natrually the only smart creature with communication is false

Humans are the only ones to have consciousness as far as we can prove

since when have we proffed that

cetaceans have even showed emotion

Because we cant prove any other species has Sentience / Consciousness

nono

that humans have it

again i think you mean sentient buny

@L0GAN Their Consciousness does not encompass the knowledge of mortality and death.

imagine using sign language to convince a gorilla that it's gonna die one day

speaking of

@Doctor Anon We cannot be certain of that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k

ah fuck

onion already did a sketch

damnit onion

Many animals show what can be interpreted as grieving over the dead, but none show what can be seen as understanding that they will die and the concept of it.

elephants are one example

They know death happens, but not what it is and that they will be subject to it as well.

We do not know that animals dont understand death

We do not know they do

Again burden of proof is to prove they do understand it, not on me to to prove they dont

again even if we didn't know that animals don't understand death would still be a safe assumption

how is an elephant grieving over the dead different the na human grieving over the dead

Because the human can understand it is going to die as well

there is little difference between a human grieveing the dead and an elephant

but the real difference is that the human understands the concept of mortality

and the elephant doesnt

And humans are the only one to have religion

The elephant griefed over its youngs death

how does it nto understand mortality

@Doctor Anon religion is a good point that I can understand

elephants see death the same way they see rain

it's just something that happens

It just happens to them

They dont understand *what* it is or what causes it

so an animal doesnt know that something eating it kills it?

That's on you to prove it does

*Are you serious*

But in short

no

to my statement

Why do animals flee from predators

if they didnt know predators harm them

it's instinctive

^

Because the antelope who didn't flee from the lion didn't get to pass on the non-flee genes.

Instinct. Evolution drives them to survive and reproduce

Animals will alter behavior when death is impending

Explain to me why animals that are sterile dont flee at the same rates from predators as ones that are still in their breeding prime

Explain to me why animals that are sterile dont flee at the same rates from predators as ones that are still in their breeding prime

Because they're older?

not even all humans can grasp mortality or death adequately

i say we can grasp it quite well

No, een animals that are in their "prime" but are sterile dont flee at same rates @Joe Powerhouse

we understand what causes it

and we understand what it causes

why do some parent animals refuse to feed offsprings they know will die

@Doctor Anon hmm.. Never heard of that. Animals don't know they're sterile.

No they dont

@Doctor Anon They do

But they dont instinctively flee at the same rates

No they arent conscious of it

Sterility kills sex drive, and sex drive is instinctual

Animals do not comprehend their sterility or sex drive

They simply *respond* to it

^ das true

Love, even in humans, is fabricated from the point of view of sex

Attachment is instinctual

Love is not

Love is something we made to give meaning to the attachment

Mourning is not instinctual

I would argue that Elephants, and Some primates and Cetaceans are also capable of sentiency

I *heavily* disagree

They are capable of basic consciousness, i submit that

But sentience on the level of Humans? No.

Studies have shown Cetaceans may be capable of more intellegence then humans

Based off the fact they have more complex and larger brains

Wow

You really dont know biology if you claim thay

Complex Brains are not linked to intelligence

Brain size is wholly detached from intelligence

"Are Whales Smarter Than We Are? Cetacean brains, such as those of dolphins (left) and humpback whales (right), have even more cortical convolutions and surface area than human brains do."

By that logic Sperm Whales are the most intelligent form of life

They have the largest brains

Which is clearly untrue

Sperm whales have the largest brain... *not what I said*

Read any study, for the love of god, brain area does not correlate with intelligence

"Are Whales Smarter Than We Are? Cetacean brains, such as those of dolphins (left) and humpback whales (right), have even more cortical convolutions and surface area than human brains do."

it makes no sense that sperm whales would develop an intelligent brain

like at best they would be on par with dolphins but developing an incredibly complex brain like humans would just be a waste

Doliphins are capable of emotion, and communication

And it is indeed proven that the human brain alone is the most complex *thing* in the *universe*.