@GucciToiletSalesman not really no.

You can take part in deciding how the money should be spent

You do realise that question would apply to both private and publicly owned means of production, right? @Adoring Fan

@Advocatus Diaboli that is like saying you can take part in elections. Your one vote changes nothing

^

So what?

Are elections useless?

How is that even comparable

elections are useless, yes

democracy is a false god

I forgot you're a fascist

Hope you guys have fun debating while I play some nice video games

Lol

Enjoy

What games and what platform?

it doesn't matter if I'm a fascist or not, that is besides the point

democracy is a wholly failed system

There is a reason all 3 of Aristotle, Plato and Socrates hated it

Bourgeois democracy is indeed a failure

But it's the best existing system so far

Never expected to hear a commie say that

>best system

Ehh

>best existing

best existing

yeah

any democracy is a failure

Democracy is the only way

not just any brand that you disagree with

Democracy gay RT

If you have a ship, you want the best captain to steer it

you dont want a man who, using his charisma, gets elected to be captain

Society isn't a ship

no, it's not, it's much more complicated than a ship

exactly my point

democracy is trash

you want the best leader, not one who got the crowd's favoer

That's why it can't rely on a single man's abilities

*favor

who says a single man rules?

A king has assistants

a fuhrer has his cabinet

a tzar has his regional councils

it's a completely simplistic view of fascism

to think "one man" rules

Having a majority rule can be a problem because the minority is not as well represented

The question is not about if a single man should be allowed to rule (though certainly he shouldn't) but about how do leaders gain their power

Or sometimes the minority is way over-represented. @KGals1

Well, the (((minority))), in that case.

Hello

All the people who belong to that 'majority' aren't all the same, they obviously differ in their views

Or just minorities in general.

@Advocatus Diaboli I would certainly say gaining power just because people want you in power is not a legitimate source

What

@Fuju I’ve seen more people flip out due to someone mentioning someone’s natural pronouns to their preferred pronouns.

How else can you ensure the mutual trust between the leadership and the people?

If you want what's best for your health, a candyman is worse than a doctor. Yet you like the candyman more, he offers you colorful treats and sweets. The doctor is scary and will hurt you

you will vote for the candyman

not the doctor

And the gender freaks are only a small portion of the population.

but your health will decrease

Yeah

And then you'll learn from your mistakes and vote for the doctor

ha

yeah

certainly shown in practice

right?

"learn from your mistakes" is not a good justification for an electoral system.

that too.

i would be willing to let go of that talking point

if people actually learned from their mistakes

but they dont

being voted in does not mean you are the best

@Fuju See Obama and Ronald Reagan.

But it does mean that most of the people trust you

Well by minority I meant the people who actually think and not the sheep who watch CNN to tell them who to vote for

What

Wdym @Dwarf

One of the major reasons why I hate Communism is the State Atheism.

^

There was a freedom of religion under Stalin

Learning from your mistakes isn’t a good example of pro-electoral politics.

Obama did a lot of bad than good but people didn’t learn that.

“Religion is an Opiate Of the Masses” - Karl Marx

Reagan did a bit of bad too.

Secularism and freedom of religion are two different things @Advocatus Diaboli

Ikr

So Secularism is State Atheism?

@Advocatus Diaboli ok and? most people trust fraudsters

or hustlers

What

you dont know if someone is a fraudster until it's too late

Ok @Adoring Fan , which political system is the best in your opinion?

@Advocatus Diaboli my favoured system is national socialism

Right

Talk about failed systems

?

NS worked though

Nazism

>the communist telling the natsoc about failed systems