yes

🤦

cant have classes if you dont have people

total vacume decay

destroy the universe at the speed of light

SOYUZ NERUSHIMIY

Why do people need to be killed?

so what do you think stalin needed to do

Like seriously

Not starve his people would've helped

I agree, we shouldn't kill people. Exactly why I don't think blacks or jews are people

He didn't starve his people

aha

ahaha

ahahaha

no

Lol

Holodomor wasnt a thing? Gulags werent a thing?

You're blinded by official propaganda

Holodomor was real

It wasn't Holodomor, it was a famine

Not intended

lmfao

being this delusional

jewish generals literally sanctioned it

Gulags are just penal labor camps

Lol

they took wheat from ukrainian farmers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States

they refused to give any food to them

Nah

And now they took land from Ukraine

@Advocatus Diaboli they’re just labor camps that kill people and starve them to death in the middle of Siberia

Nothing major

Also people starved because everyone was poor

Pls find the location of labor camps yourself

the US penal system does not send people to hard labor for not giving the government a cow

Labor camps in general are literal hell

And the farming class was abolished and told to work in the factories

What

Ever heard of collective farms

kolkhozes

Killing kulaks

Yea we heard plenty

These were peasants' guilds

Not state corporations

emphasis on were

because they were largely killed off

if they didnt give all their works to the state of course

2.5 million died because of 1932-33 famine

>2,5m

ecks dee

In the entire USSR

GOMMUNISM

being this delusional

There were famines in the Soviet Union during 1920, 1924, 1936, 1946, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1984.
1901, 1906, 1921, 1939, 1948, 1951, 1957, 1975, 1995.
1911, 1931, 1963, 1965, 1991.

Pls shut up everyone so I can explain

as many as 15 million people died in the holodomor

go ahead

We are waiting

this isnt voice chat

you arent interrupted here

Russian Empire had been having famines every 2 or 3 years

no but his arguments are gonna end up lost if its just a mess of anti-coms typing, let him speak

Go ahead I'm listening

They began taking food away from peasants in 1916 beacuse of food shortages and speculating

Then the Civil War started

Of because of the war, you know, just a little something called WW1

ah i see so the EMPIRE took food but the Communists didn't

Russian industry was small, so they couldn't produce goods for trade and had to concentrate on making weapons

I see

excellent reasoning

even though prior to the revolution

Russia was the second fastest growing economy in the world

So communists had to adopt these policies as well

"policies"

that's a really thuggish way of saying "lets kill off millions of people because they dont give us their wheat"

what ever happened to workers owned the means of production

What do you mean?

The means of production were owned by the workers

May I continue?

So

Bolsheviks gave the big landlords' property to the peasants who divided it equally

But these small farms weren't effective enough and couldn't supply Russia with all the food it needed

But communists had to deal with it during the NEP

how were they when the people who owned the means of production were not allowed to sell their productions?

Ownership =/= right to sell

How can you sell anything if you're the only possible owner?

The government can still block private owners from selling under capitalism, if it wishes. So that isn't really relevant @Adoring Fan

This too

So

Capitalist America is hella comfy

During the NEP communists allowed private enterprises to rebuild the country ASAP

@Fuju if it wishes, yet it doesn't do that nearly to the extent that the soviet union did.

So what?

NEP was actually a policy of state capitalism like in China today

The workers still owned the mp, and that's what matters regarding your original question.

then what is the merit of owning the means of production? You can do nothing with it