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2018-04-08 15:11:54 UTC

in the end, he alienates **everyone**

2018-04-08 15:12:02 UTC

his base is irritated

2018-04-08 15:12:03 UTC

Read the Wordpress article Mr Red Storm put out

2018-04-08 15:12:12 UTC

and the people he tries to win over don't believe him

2018-04-08 15:12:12 UTC

First item on the not to do list

2018-04-08 15:12:16 UTC

Button Mash is David Brock 2.0

2018-04-08 15:12:32 UTC

Is he an isolationist? Is he a nationalist? Is he a neocon? Is he a libertarian? Is he a compassionate conservative? The thing about Trump that will hurt him big time is that if he continues to sort of fuck around like this, it will tank his entire presidency.

2018-04-08 15:12:32 UTC

Because I'm calling out Trump for betraying his campaign promises?

2018-04-08 15:12:49 UTC

He had a message and it was perfectly fine.

2018-04-08 15:12:55 UTC

America First.

2018-04-08 15:13:04 UTC

@Rhodesiaboo i'm sorry, but if you're going to defend Trump no matter what he does, you're the true shill here

2018-04-08 15:13:05 UTC

Button, read it

2018-04-08 15:13:17 UTC

Iโ€™m not

2018-04-08 15:13:18 UTC

Iโ€™m just saying

2018-04-08 15:13:27 UTC

I know, he's changing the fundamentals of the server which is well and good

2018-04-08 15:13:34 UTC

If Bombing that airfield did nothing

2018-04-08 15:13:38 UTC

This wonโ€™t do anything either

2018-04-08 15:13:41 UTC

That's not the point

2018-04-08 15:13:43 UTC

No, I said read the first point on the not to do list

2018-04-08 15:13:47 UTC

It's the message

2018-04-08 15:13:51 UTC

Trump is 90% rhetoric to keep people from knowing what he's actually going to do. And ultimately: what he usually does is kick legislative decisions down to the legislators. Trump can't ban bump stocks: he quite literally does not have the authority to do so. The legislature would have to write a bill declaring bump stocks illegal, pass the house and senate, get to his desk and then he could sign it.

2018-04-08 15:13:52 UTC

Even if he does nothing

2018-04-08 15:13:56 UTC

and the inconsistency

2018-04-08 15:13:59 UTC

one second

2018-04-08 15:14:01 UTC

he's isolationist

2018-04-08 15:14:08 UTC

then he's interventionalist

2018-04-08 15:14:30 UTC

The problem is that if people don't know what he's going to do, there's no reason to vote for him.

2018-04-08 15:14:50 UTC

What do they want out of it? Do they know if he'll even deliver?

2018-04-08 15:14:54 UTC

it's really disorientating @FLanon

2018-04-08 15:14:58 UTC

Here is what we will NOT be doing for Red Storm:

-Whining how things are hopeless, how bad things are, how our politicians are letting us down, how so many aspects of culture/media/education/big business are arrayed against us. All these cannot be ignored, but they must be used as motivation for action. Donโ€™t indulge in pessimism and defeatism. Thatโ€™s what losers do.

2018-04-08 15:15:03 UTC

BUT IT'S 4D CHEEEEEEEESS

2018-04-08 15:15:05 UTC

There I made it easy for you

2018-04-08 15:15:10 UTC

ART OF THE DEAL OR WHATEVER

2018-04-08 15:15:13 UTC

This isn't whining

2018-04-08 15:15:30 UTC

I'm talking to button FL

2018-04-08 15:15:43 UTC

We're outlining what Trump is doing wrong and how he can fix it.

2018-04-08 15:16:09 UTC

Ok then tell me what you came up with, how can you fix it?

2018-04-08 15:16:20 UTC

Read my article

2018-04-08 15:16:26 UTC

Trump wants to be liked by his liberal friends in the Hamptons so bad, and at the same time he wants to cling on to his base support @FLanon

2018-04-08 15:16:46 UTC

It seems his strategy is to use the Nixon foreign policy strategy of the "Madman Theory" and apply it tenfold onto every aspect of the administration.

2018-04-08 15:16:53 UTC

that's a recipe for inconsistency and flip-flopping

2018-04-08 15:17:08 UTC

@FLanon which is a stupid strategy

2018-04-08 15:17:20 UTC

The madman theory may be decent for geopolitics, but not for getting people who voted for you to vote for you again.

2018-04-08 15:17:45 UTC

-claps hands- Children - oh children

There is no 4d chess: anything Trump doesn't want to do, like make a decision on DACA he just hands it off to the legislature because it take congress 1-3 years to write, vote, committee, revise, argue over terms, vote again: then repeat the whole process when it clears the house and enters the senate.

What did he do about DACA? He handed it to the legislature and gave the democrats all kinds of other issues to go batshit insane over. What was the result? The time limitations on DACA ran out, it has not been renewed, DACA is now dead and he even got to blame it on the democrats.

2018-04-08 15:17:56 UTC

It's not 4d chess: it's fucking simple shit.

2018-04-08 15:18:04 UTC

There's gotta be continuity. That's also a problem with firing his cabinet picks.

2018-04-08 15:18:22 UTC

The problem is his rhetoric *does* matter.

2018-04-08 15:18:35 UTC

What does he want to convey to the voters?

2018-04-08 15:18:42 UTC

I don't know, nobody does.

2018-04-08 15:20:05 UTC

Even if he ultimately doesn't act on cuck policies, it still reflects badly on him as people don't know what they're getting with him.

2018-04-08 15:20:07 UTC

Campaign Trump: All DACA recipients should be deported

2018-04-08 15:20:17 UTC

Drumpf: We love the dreamers, we love everybody

2018-04-08 15:20:21 UTC

Who @๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ secretly admires

2018-04-08 15:20:25 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/432560356863508481/image.png

2018-04-08 15:20:27 UTC

Then he flipped right back

2018-04-08 15:20:35 UTC

This is the issue

2018-04-08 15:21:09 UTC

This incessant whining is tiresome. Vote for someone else next election.

2018-04-08 15:21:28 UTC

Oh I will

2018-04-08 15:21:59 UTC

If he wants to be a cuck, just stick with it, if he doesn't want to, he shouldn't even go near DACA, Syria, or guns.

2018-04-08 15:22:04 UTC

I want Trump to succeed.

2018-04-08 15:22:12 UTC

Like Hell I'm voting for this shallow ignoramus again

2018-04-08 15:22:51 UTC

@FLanon - DACA - is - dead. It's done. It's time limitation ended without being renewed.

2018-04-08 15:22:57 UTC

The issue is we can't sit in a building on fire and not grab a fire extinguisher.

2018-04-08 15:23:00 UTC

no it's not you idiot

2018-04-08 15:23:03 UTC

That's not the point.

2018-04-08 15:23:06 UTC

it's being reviewed the courts

2018-04-08 15:23:23 UTC

The point is what Trump wants to say, what Trump is about.

2018-04-08 15:23:35 UTC

pfft

2018-04-08 15:23:44 UTC

If he wants to change his message, then stick to that.

2018-04-08 15:23:46 UTC

No wonder Congress doesn't pass Trump's agenda

2018-04-08 15:23:54 UTC

Trump doesn't even know what Trump wants!

2018-04-08 15:24:01 UTC

How should we expect Congress to?

2018-04-08 15:24:06 UTC

Yes @FLanon , as you have stated, do I need to count how many times in the last 5 minutes. Message - got it.

2018-04-08 15:24:06 UTC

If he doesn't want to fuck with that in the first place, he shouldn't go near it with a ten foot pole.

2018-04-08 15:24:38 UTC

This moron shouldn't have ran for president in the first place

2018-04-08 15:25:04 UTC

The issue is I have to continue reiterating because even if he doesn't go through with something, the continuity on what he is is completely fucked.

2018-04-08 15:25:12 UTC

It should be obvious by now

2018-04-08 15:25:30 UTC

Trump only ran for President to benefit his business interests and family ties @FLanon

2018-04-08 15:25:39 UTC

@๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ who Button Mash works for.

2018-04-08 15:25:42 UTC

he never cared about immigration

2018-04-08 15:25:43 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/432561689364267008/image.png

2018-04-08 15:25:44 UTC

or trade

2018-04-08 15:25:45 UTC

I don't think so

2018-04-08 15:25:48 UTC

@๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ his business has suffered quite a bit though

2018-04-08 15:25:49 UTC

or foreign policy

2018-04-08 15:25:52 UTC

that's the ting

2018-04-08 15:26:07 UTC

How else do you explain the flip-flopping

2018-04-08 15:26:12 UTC

the inconsistency

2018-04-08 15:26:20 UTC

What, particular, policy, do you not like - @๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ ?

2018-04-08 15:26:24 UTC

the desperation to appease liberal Democrats

2018-04-08 15:26:38 UTC

@Observing Libertarian the policies he sympathizes with

2018-04-08 15:26:46 UTC

amnesty for Dreamers,

2018-04-08 15:26:52 UTC

If he's a billionaire the last thing he should be thinking about if he wants to benefit his business interests is to run for president.

2018-04-08 15:26:53 UTC

bump stock ban

2018-04-08 15:27:01 UTC

It might just be me but none of this seems constructive

2018-04-08 15:27:02 UTC

I don't believe that either.

2018-04-08 15:27:27 UTC

@๐ŸŽƒBoo-ton๐ŸŽƒ , have bump stocks been banned?

2018-04-08 15:27:29 UTC

My opinion is that he's applying a strategy meant for foreign policy onto every facet of his administrstion.

2018-04-08 15:27:44 UTC

@Observing Libertarian he sent a memo to the DOJ to do so

2018-04-08 15:28:20 UTC

@FLanon or maybe,

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