i want to what is true

not that i want to know something as true

so if you know the globe earth is the truth....

why are you still here?

so far il say i know its globe but to say that diutting a debate is pointless
because who believes somehting without believing they know it

uh....what? 🙂

its pointless for me to say i know its a globe

all it extablishes is im really sure about it

so you are really sure about it?

it dosnt convince antyone

yes or no?

is someone believes something, it also means they believe they know it

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have a nice day

how sure i am is irelevant
even if i wasnt sure il say i do know it

@Flat Earth PhD i answered your question

its irelevant

yes or no

answer one of those two

why

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its irelevant

the arguments matter

not the confidence someone has

yes, you are right

How do you know earth isn't a cube

@Flat Earth PhD so you agree that your question is useless

Have a nice day

i know you are just doing that agree to avoid conflist but its going to be harmfull y=to you later on
people may take you seriously

il treat it as if you are serious

dont conplain that im lying when i tell people you agree when you really dont

as if you keep doing that we eventually wont beable to tell if you are serious in the future

He didn’t agree with you to begin with. What you’re describing is called lying.

Aka, you’re a liar.

I’m sure you won’t include that to others.

yes, you are right

It doesn’t matter about someone’s confidence.

Yes, you are right.

im making the point is if he keeps lying in that way people wont beable to know if he is serious or not

It doesn’t matter about someone’s confidence.

i agree

Yes, you are right.

So where did he lie?

No where.

he did

That would be you.

he said i was right
hees been doing that ever sense he posted a meme about just getting rid of trools/stupid people by saying they are right

You’re right that you don’t even want to know anything with absolutely certainty.

ok

You are right

I know I am, thank you.

he posted this some time ago and just kept saying "you are right" anytime i made an argument
even if i asked a asked a question that caught him off guard he said "yes you are right"

you are right

You keep arguing, lol.

Wow.

yes you are right

he obviously dosnt care about arguments

yes you are right

Neither do you, when you keep arguing, and don’t even want to know anything with absolute certainty. How stupid.

making arguments mean i dont care about arguments?

i guess most flat earthers that make arguments dont care about arguments either

We don’t argue merely for the sake of arguing like you.

We prove our point.

i dont argue for argument sake

Yes you do.

i argue to try to show flaws in reasoning and even potentially show myself flaws in my reasoning

we disagree

When you don’t want to know anything with absolute certainty, you prove yourself wrong.

how so

“I don’t want to know anything with absolute certainty. Which includes when I’m wrong, so I will keep arguing.” ~Σ5

false quote

never said that

yes, you are right

@Flat Earth PhD are you here to try to infuriate me or are you here to make a point

yes, you are right

that was a question

so answer it or leave

yes, you are right

i think your response answers the questionanyways

you dont care about truth you only care about infuriating people

take it to debate channel or get muted

nice threat
simply saying move to debate channel would have sufficed

yes, you are right

thanks

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air dencity has nothing to do with it

dencity dosnt make something less transparent

it worked for the moon landing so why not keep f lying for money

they will sound like crazy dying people

@Σ5 yes it does, did you forget fogs are thing? this happens under water and on mountain ridges where you can see it progressively getting less visible

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all that and not an ounce of motion you feel of it

Yes it's crazy but we can't just trust our senses

Where is sut right

when you're in a bus and it's driving along a highway you can get up and walk around comfortably

same goes for planes

even though they're moving pretty fast you don't feel the motion

cuz you're moving along with them

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just thought of something

if you wanna test the fog theory

you could go nearish a mountain and look where it should be

even if its obscured by fog it should still block out stars behind it

unless it somehow also becomes transparent

@0ct0plasm allegedly on your model, during the perihelion where the earth is closest to the sun the speed also changes and accelerates so we should feel some kind of motion. also fogs doesn't eliminate light it just blocks vision

@He Cute
1: the earth only accelerates relative to the sun as it falls closer and wraps around. when you're in freefall inside a plane you don't feel any acceleration, you just float, despite your acceleration towards the earth.

2: of course they don't block light, that's why distant stars can be seen on the horizon. the test would be to see if a mountain, a physical object in the way, would block out the light from those stars, or if instead the mountain is below the horizon and can't block that light.

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@0ct0plasm 1. do you have any evidence for relativity?

2. if the fog is strong enough it could be able to obscure stars on the horizon but not always, fogs can sometimes even obscure the sun right on top of us so i don't see it not being able to also being able to do the same with stars on the horizon. weather conditions impacts how strong of a fog there is and we shouldn't assume it's the same always like you're proposing

well you could do a control

look next to the mountain

see if you can see stars there

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where there's nothing obscuring it

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also i didn't mention relativity, i just meant that objects moving relative to another object can still move parallel to one another

there are several factors that plays into this like light pollution, altitude you're on, angle which you're looking on, weather conditions

so?

maybe you see no stars either way

that's still a result

@0ct0plasm do you have an example of an image or evidence of someone standing on a mountain and looking at 90 degrees to the horizon with a visible fog that obstructs the furthest ridges of a mountain and also blocks the stars?

why would i have an image like that on hand

Hello there

hiya

i was just proposing an experiment

Aloha

you made the claim that the star swould not be obstructed so you're basing your claims off what?

ok

i didnt claim anything

i proposed a method by which you could test which claim is correct

i already showed you evidence of it being correct with the ridges of a mountain getting less and less visible, is there any counter arguments you have?

i'm not saying the air doesn't obscure light at all

i'm saying that might not be the reason why you don't see far away objects

also im legit curious of this

what purpose would a secretive world-controlling organization have for making people believe the earth is round?

also

when you look at the horizon you don't see it fading out

you see a flat line

a sharp line

@He Cute fog isnt air density

fog does increase the airs dencity but air dencity isnt what causes it to become less tranbsparent

in some cases where the fog is strong enough the horizon would look like its fading out

i think you mean humidity

not density

why does it look like a sharp line when there's not much fog?

also humid air is actually les dense than dry air

fog increases dencity because your actually getting droplets of water
its not a change of humidity

smoke is less dense than air because its hotter
but its also less transparent

people are fairly inactive in the chats in this server huh

higher dencity dosnt imply less transparent

Depends on the time of day

its disproven by the fact that there exists higher dencity gasses that are more transparent than less dense gasses

your point stands but smoke is actually a little denser than air at room temperature

it floats cuz when it gets created it's very hot

and since its a gas its density goes down

Smoke isn't really a gas. It's an amalgam of solids, gases and liquids.

yea true

its opacity is largely cuz it has a lot of solid particles in it

this is pretty far off topic tho

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@Σ5 im back, higher air density does imply higher humidity which will cause things to be less transparent also stop going to other gasses that doesn't function the same as air. fog has a higher air density and higher humidity, there's a relationship between those when air density increase temperature also increases which inturn makes things less visible so yes you can say that a higher air density causes things to be less visible

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Higher humidity dosnt mean less transparent

@He Cute high humidity air is less dense than try air at the same temperature
unless it becomes a fog
then it is more dense

but fog isn't a gas but a coloid

a suspension of water droplets

Apply the ideal gas law to nitrogen and water

Does air actually limit how far you see

humid air is less dense than dry air

hey even scale the molar dencity by the nitrogen percent and it still ends up being less dense

If not and earths flat I should surely (without any buildings or etc blocking my sight ) be able to see Russia

i mean it does

At the same time if air does limit my sight I though can see the sun

Stars

Moon

the atmosphere is fairly flat

stuff that's directly above you has relatively little air blocking its path

whereas stuff close to the horizon has a lot

hence why the sky is lighter close to the horizon

Yeah but when the sun is about to set

I can still see it

fog can limit your vision
Fog only happens at 100% humidity but being more humid dosnt make less transparent

it's pretty damn bright

it's a lot easier to look at when it's that low

Oh but moon tho

Can’t u see it

when the moon is low on the horizon it often looks orange

cause a lot of the light closer to blue is being cut out by the air

you'd still be able to say, see a strong floodlight pointed at you if you had a telescope though

if someone wanted to test that

Does a boat sink when it’s farther or not

I’m talking irl

I don’t wanna hear flat or round earth evidence stuff

like does it appear below the horizon when it's far away?

yea

Yeah I guess

Why does it do that

Sink

If u wanna call it that

well imo its cuz the horizon is the point where the earth's curvature blocks your view of distant objects like boats

though obv ppl on here would disagree

So the boat is curving around slowly

from your perspective at least

And it looks like it’s sinking for you?

pretty much?

the earth's surface would start to get in the way and obscure it from the bottom up

so it'd appear to go down

That’s what I thought but people keep showing images that debunk it or something

Flat earth believers

Are they true

Or like

ive commonly seen explanations that use like

lensing from the air

like a mirage

ive also seen some that just flat out say it doesnt happen but those ones are kinda dumb

though the mirage theory doesnt make sense

air above the ocean is typically less dense due to warm water vapor evaporating from the water heating it up

and if that's the case the boat should appear above the horizon

the air would need to be colder close to the ocean for the boat to appear to sink

Are lunar eclipses proof of earth being round?

no

The shadow is it actually earth

no we can't verify that