@da multicoloured lizard take a globe model, like the ones in school, and but some rope around 2 points, any points. is that a straight line or a semi circle?

ofcourse its not a perfectly straight line - because youre walking around the curve

so your test is inconclusive and anyway cant be done with walking

it can be done with walking and swimming but it takes ages and you will have to have incredible strength to do it

so i cant actually do it, it is more of a thought experiment, right?

how about an actual test that i could do?

its not a though experiment, i just dont have a plane

cmmon lol, proving a globe shoudnt be that hard, right?

all i ask for is a test i could do myself. like actually do. is there such a test?

One of the best documented methods for determining the Earth's roundness was first performed (to our knowledge) by the ancient Greeks. This was achieved by comparing the shadows of sticks in different locations. When the sun was directly overhead in one place, the stick there cast no shadow. At the same time in a city around 500 miles north, the stick there did cast a shadow.

If the Earth were flat then both sticks should show the same shadow (or lack of) because they would be positioned at the same angle towards the sun. The ancient Greeks found the shadows were different because the Earth was curved and so the sticks were at different angles. They then used the difference in these angles to calculate the circumference of the Earth. They managed to get it to within 10% of the true value – not bad for around 250 B.C.

Another piece of evidence for a globe is the difference between the night skies in the northern and southern hemispheres. The view is completely different because the Earth beneath you is pointing in a different direction. If the Earth were flat, the view should be the same. This can be made even easier by simply comparing when it is night and day in each country.

You can observe the planets as well. They all rotate, and watching over the course of a few days gives a clear picture they are spherical rather than flat. The chance that most of the planets are spherical but the Earth is flat seems very unlikely.

ok, can you name the greek guy that did that test without wiki? just curious

no because i dont have complete knowledge of the last 2250 years

are you gonna try and disprove me because i dont know the exact name of a philosopher

Eratosthenes

no lol

ok, great

i will only point out that according to NDY that test also works just fine on a flat earth and with a close local sun

(neil degrasse tyson(

so i guess the question then becomes: how do we know if the sun is small and local or big and far away

hes given proof the earth is round, if u believe that, u should believe other stuff he said

no, he just said its round lol saying aint the same as proving

but once again, how can we tell if the sun is small and local or big and far away? how can we test for that?

if it is small and local, we would be able to fly a drone up to it

well not if its 5000 miles up

thats still local btw

so why isnt all of earth lit up?

well the sun could still project light like a normal torch does, right? a torch on a wall would still only project light in a small circle on a wall and not on the entire wall...

maybe there is another way

so all ur doing is making assumptions yet complain when i dont have evidence straight away? the level of hypocrisy is unreal

no im saying there must be a clearer test for that

an easy observation maybe

my torch is not as bright as the sun, yet during the night i can see the rays travelling through the sky. so why cant we see the rays of the sun coming down during the night?

well we do know the atmosphere bends light. so at night when the sun is further away from us, the atmosphere could block us from seeing it at all because the very dim light would be bent away

prove it bends light

ohboy

difraction?

when light enters the atmosphere?

all the time in the atmosphere.... light is deviated when it hits small particles of water vapour for example

ok enaugh lol.

the simple way of testing if is far away or close by is based on what the effects of both hypothesis would entail

it its close by and above a flat earth you would see (at least) 2 effects: a) the sun moving across the sky in a circular path. b) ppl in different locations would see a different side of the sun looking at it at the same time.

but what we observe in reality is: a) always a straight path in the sky; b) all ppl from any location looking at the sun at the same time will see the same side of the sun (it has sun spots, any DSLR with a filter can trak the sun spots).

aaaand going back to the shadows test, one can eliminate the possibility of a close local sun above a flat earth by just using 3 locations and 3 sticks at the same time... that only works if its a sphere.

and that is called: schooling you on debating a flat earther lol...

up your game or you will look like silly children

are u even reading what im saying? <@!356085459186614273> jsss

........

read up you wako and learn some stuff about how to debate a flat earther on their own terms ffs

i was doing a great impersonation, wasnt i? and ffs you guys were failing badly

read up

they were points that could be hand waved very easily

read up... actually nevermind

you do you

jssss

read what i said you wako:

alexxxazi la 14:53
all the time in the atmosphere.... light is deviated when it hits small particles of water vapour for example
ok enaugh lol.
the simple way of testing if is far away or close by is based on what the effects of both hypothesis would entail
it its close by and above a flat earth you would see (at least) 2 effects: a) the sun moving across the sky in a circular path. b) ppl in different locations would see a different side of the sun looking at it at the same time.
but what we observe in reality is: a) always a straight path in the sky; b) all ppl from any location looking at the sun at the same time will see the same side of the sun (it has sun spots, any DSLR with a filter can trak the sun spots).

that is the way you prove to an FE its a globe... jssss

nevermind ure useless i swear

o m g

you know some FE have a point when they say most globies dont understand the globe model at all

youre a prime example

the sun dosent move in a circular path in the sky dude lol

<@!356085459186614273> i agree with this man

and the fact it moves in a straight damn line evey day is proof its a globe omg

dude... omg

its a straight path every day lol

useless

can you read english?

we orbit the sun because it has a stronger gravitational field bc it is larger

the solar system revolves around the sun

ofc we orbit the sun but the path the sun makes in the sky every day for any fixed observer on earth is a straight line u wako

and the fact its a straight line proves its a damn globe

oh ffs

the earth rotates over a period of 24 hours

if we were on a flat earth, the path would be always circular

and, and the other hand, if the sun were close, 2 observers would see a different side of the sun at any given moment in time

the sun moves/rotates around the milkyway

so you understand now? <@!356085459186614273>

i think all this is to much for you

meaning never debate an actual FE

u will get wrecked and make us all look bad

flat earth is just an excuse for ignorant and uninformed people who want to go against the status quo without actually acting differently

you cant debate an FE dude, you dont even understand the globe model

and you have no clue on how a debate with an FE actually works

bc they believe spreading false knowledge will make them seem intellectual when in fact they are just only contributing to a society that is already riddle with unreliable information and news

when i was pretending to be an FE, you were spouting silly tests jssss

and btw... just saying stuff about FE dosent really help dude

one needs to actually explain but that ofc means to understand what ure saying in the first place and you ale clueless

looking around this server everyone is a bit of a wally

ok, its pointless, you do you lol

chemtrails also aren't a thing

you think the sun moves in a circular path in the sky u wako lol

pls never ever debate an FE pls

lol

The sun doesn't move though? We move around the sun...

yeah the issue was the path in the sky

no it moves around the milkyway

just like the whole solar system

we do move around the sun tho

True, but if we're talking about the sun compared to the earth. we move around the sun

ye

ofc

so how does that work if the earth is flat?

idk man it doesn't

the issue is the path

bc the earth isnt flat

if that path is circular, thats ok on a flat earth

there is no evidence for the earth being flat

but there is evidence for it being round

if its straight, it cant be a flat earth

and, woudnt you know it... its straight

ok i should really start a server just to teach some of you guys in how to debate actual real flat earthers lol

shame nobody would join

lol

dude, just dont ever debate actual flat earther, yeah?

you suck at that

trolling? ill give u a 3/10, maybe stick to that

indeed ^^

My question is why would NASA hide the fact that the earth is flat. There is literally no point in doing that? just a question don't argue with it

it's not flat

they aren't hiding anything

a flatearther would say: for the money

nasa aren't hiding anything

"nasa has a daily budget of 52 mil dollars"

do u have any idea why?

"so they lie to earn all that money"

nasa are at the forefront of space exploration

this is a clear red herring and should be addressed by not being addressed lol

like all red herrings

the only red herring is the fact that everyone here is spreading false knowledge about the earth

in a debate with a flat earther, just keep them on subject... a.i. actual ways of testing that its a globe

what's your view on elon musk and space x @Alexxx

ok in what way can u prove that earth is not a globe

photos and videos from the ISS or the moon make it very clear that it is not flat

no u misunderstand @Donut

to debate an FE you need to take his own understanding of what is evidence and use that

they gain nothing from faking it

so pics dont work

they will just claim they are fake and hand wave it away

have you ever been on a plane? @Alexxx

oops

i dont think flat earthers are actually that misinformed

we dont claim theyre 'fake' NASA does, thanks

^^^^

they either have sub par iq or are trying to spread falseinformation

see my point?

thats a misrepresentation of the facts ofc but oh well

no, flat earthers aret stupid lol

https://outpostmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/iStock_PLANE.jpg

even though it's subtle, you can see clear curvature

I see it

that could be fish eye... will be the claim

Donut, behave pls

thanks

CIVIL, theres a clue there.

okay

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjBloGIlP7mAhVJqxoKHRAKC1UQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redbull.com%2Fint-en%2Fprojects%2Fred-bull-stratos%2Fthe-mission&psig=AOvVaw3m8wYRpyTVqccVs8tQjb-0&ust=1578921762407073

@Logrian up for a real debate? im done with the globie children tbh

that was live streamed worldwide

u can clearly see the curvature

there is no way fish eye was used

well actually the camera was fish eye and they will claim CGI anyway sooooo

CGI LOL

Hollywood studio, that kinda thing

ouch

it was live streamed

nah, once again, you need evidence they will accept as such

Theres no curvature at 39kms

Ngl I agree, I think the government spends loads of money hiding the fact that the earth is flat because if people knew the earth was flat everything in life would change.

same!

@Logrian how about if i show you beach side curve on pics done by amateurs with an iphone 6?

its insane how much you learn in this chat

i agree!

@Alexxx When I was on a plane going over america I saw the government and their ice walls, they were pretty chill but made the plane turn around so I got my money back from my flight

well ure the first one

https://tenor.com/view/flatearth-gif-8521428

the rest of us never saw anything back

what's this abt ice walls again?

this is still going? ive been gone for half an hour

nah i stooped at one point, you were not making any sense so i gave you the right argument but guess you never saw that

Guys stop please im getting sad, my friend fell of the side of the earth and I never saw him again 😟

lol

it was terrible

no problem man

ill hold in the tears

@Alexxx is that you in ur pfp

if the earth is flat how come planes dont fly off the edge of it

thats David Attenborough

does he think the earth is flat

no lol

ofc

So do people in america have to fly over europe to get to japan?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjGz6eLlv7mAhVHxYUKHWIZDsYQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.travelcodex.com%2Fdelta-air-lines-routes-2018%2F&psig=AOvVaw3NbRse8J-9Xw56Z_kVr44I&ust=1578922306332970

and what is past the pacific ocean for flat earthers

flight plan for delta airlines

if the earth was flat they would all fly off of the edge into space

false the plane and people are all CGI, you get put in a CGI environment with NASA and get knocked out and wake up at your destination

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html

@GandalfTheGreen help me dude pls lol

these children have no clue about how to debate an FE and spit out tons on horseshit

what is the "Truther" role? How does that work if people believe in different things

help 🤣

@Alexxx do you feel like you need to be more than some ordinary guy so you become a flat earther so your life has a bit more meaning and you get slightly more attention than usual?

^

dude... i aint an FE...

lmao

im a debater for the globe and a crack good one at that, reason why im banned on almost all FE servers lol

I chose the FE role cause its purple I like purple

what a lad

who spends there time learning about FE lol

go revise math or something

im starting to think that the only globies here are the silly ones like you lot... the proper ones are all banned 🤣

why do u call them globie s

spending your time on a mere "theory" must mean you're pretty damn bored

it's so weird how u have slang to describe normal people

Homosexuality got to him @Donut

a globie is someone who belives the earth is an oblate spheroid.. like me...

!mute @Magma troll

F in the chat for our fallen soldier Magma

oof

u will me remembered

be

magma

we will meet u in valhalla

well

!mute <@!356085459186614273> trolling

nah thats not why

F in the chat for our fallen comrades

we will stand tall in the face of danger

im not any kinda comarade with them 🤣

my time has been short but sweet

Any gloober with two braincells step forward

thanks

i have 3 braincells

go

so am i legible

ask a question?

@Logrian you wanna debate, debate me pls lol

ok

why do u think the earth is flat

these guys make embarrass us lol

like a genuine question

alexxx, nah, im meinkrafting 😄

😛

Come to Amphitheatre you wannah chat tho, k