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2019-03-23 08:02:09 UTC

Looks like the astronomers used the โ€˜maximum distance methodโ€™

2019-03-23 08:03:19 UTC

Whilst assuming a spherical Earth, whilst assuming a radius of Earth

2019-03-23 08:03:38 UTC

What's the assumed value of "R" in their model again?

2019-03-23 08:04:16 UTC

R as being....?

2019-03-23 08:04:26 UTC

Radius? Distance?

2019-03-23 08:04:40 UTC

Earth's Radius yes please

2019-03-23 08:05:13 UTC

Uhm... isnโ€™t it 6000 miles ish?

2019-03-23 08:05:30 UTC

Oops thatโ€™s KM

2019-03-23 08:05:42 UTC

3963 miles

2019-03-23 08:05:42 UTC

6,371 kilometers yes?

2019-03-23 08:05:45 UTC

Yes

2019-03-23 08:06:04 UTC

It says on Google 6378km but ya know

2019-03-23 08:06:06 UTC

And is the radius of Earth used in ALL astronomical model calculations?

2019-03-23 08:07:13 UTC

If theyโ€™re using trigonometry, Iโ€™d assume so. Since stellar parallax only works for objects less than 300 LY away though, they would t use it for V616 Mon, I believe.

2019-03-23 08:07:41 UTC

Do you agree that if Earth were a sphere, trigonometry would be correct?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558924820922892309/FlatEarthMath5.png

2019-03-23 08:08:16 UTC

Iโ€™m no expert, I donโ€™t know haha

2019-03-23 08:08:29 UTC

i.e. d0 is the distance between the elevations and the lowest point of the observation, tree, tower, hill, mountain? d1 us the distance to the bulge and d2 is the distance from the bulge to the cutoff point?

2019-03-23 08:08:50 UTC

h1 is the cut off point

2019-03-23 08:08:56 UTC

h0 is the observer height?

2019-03-23 08:09:01 UTC

R is Earth's Radius

2019-03-23 08:09:03 UTC

Agreed?

2019-03-23 08:09:23 UTC

Sure

2019-03-23 08:09:27 UTC

Whatโ€™s the point

2019-03-23 08:09:32 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558925285613895691/FlatEarthMath20.png

2019-03-23 08:09:39 UTC

Can you explain to me then how this mountain is visible then pleaes?

2019-03-23 08:09:41 UTC

Ahh Iโ€™ve seen this one before

2019-03-23 08:09:45 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558925342367154187/FlatEarthMath21.png

2019-03-23 08:10:02 UTC

But why change the subject from stellar parallax, if I may ask?

2019-03-23 08:10:06 UTC

How can a 3,800 meter tall mountain be visible if the minimum cut off is 5,064 meters?

2019-03-23 08:10:43 UTC

@Timebomb Because all astronomical calculations use an assumed Spherical Earth with an assumed Radius of 6,371 or in your case 6,378km

2019-03-23 08:10:55 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558925633326022666/FlatEarthMath10.png

2019-03-23 08:10:57 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558925641857237002/FlatEarthMath11.png

2019-03-23 08:10:59 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558925649772019713/FlatEarthMath11_2.png

2019-03-23 08:11:07 UTC

Why does the line go BELOW the curve?

2019-03-23 08:11:11 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558925699969318915/FlatEarthMath12.png

2019-03-23 08:12:32 UTC

@Timebomb If the Radius, which by the way has never been measured....
Is in error....
How can any of the astronomical models calculations possibly be correct?

2019-03-23 08:12:44 UTC

It looks like the consensus here is that he misses out on something called hidden refraction

2019-03-23 08:13:07 UTC

Do you know who the owner of metabunk is?

2019-03-23 08:13:44 UTC

He's this guy, his name is Mick West

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558926343627210763/MickWest.jpg

2019-03-23 08:13:53 UTC

The very first response of the thread answers the question nicely

2019-03-23 08:13:59 UTC

Uhh... so what?

2019-03-23 08:14:05 UTC

We asked him about snells law, he DELETED the thread

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558926431405604874/MickWestFraud.jpg

2019-03-23 08:14:10 UTC

Are all of the answers made by government shills?

2019-03-23 08:14:12 UTC

Lol

2019-03-23 08:14:14 UTC

Or real people?

2019-03-23 08:14:21 UTC

That point is so irrelevant

2019-03-23 08:14:27 UTC

I personally meticulously went through his code, guess what he told me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558926521859964929/MickWest.png

2019-03-23 08:14:28 UTC

Who cares who made the site

2019-03-23 08:14:52 UTC

He told me that his refracted curve calculation relies on a "surveyors rule of thumb 7/6 times R"

2019-03-23 08:15:03 UTC

Ok... is that a problem?

2019-03-23 08:15:33 UTC

Well yes it is because he's asserting light curves down around the surface of the Earth, but we observe light curving up into the sky

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558926800508551168/FlatEarthRefractionUp7.png

2019-03-23 08:15:53 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558926883958292490/FlatEarthRefractionUp1.png

2019-03-23 08:15:54 UTC

Light curves around a gravitational body yes

2019-03-23 08:15:55 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558926892103893012/FlatEarthRefractionUp2.png

2019-03-23 08:16:16 UTC

No it doesn't, we found peer reviewed scientific journals that clearly show light curves up

2019-03-23 08:16:21 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558927001424101386/FlatEarthRefractionUp3.png

2019-03-23 08:16:23 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558927007543721985/FlatEarthRefractionUp4.png

2019-03-23 08:16:26 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558927023704244234/FlatEarthRefractionUp5.png

2019-03-23 08:16:39 UTC

Here's one such publicaiton

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558927077286346762/inverstigate_refraction.pdf

2019-03-23 08:16:50 UTC

Here is another

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558927122899664926/Utility_of_geodetic_refraction.pdf

2019-03-23 08:17:19 UTC

```"It is obvious that the effect of temperature variation is decisive over the
other atmospheric factors on refraction, to the following proportions: Tempera
ture to humidity to carbon dioxide content to air preEsure = 100 : 6 : 2 : 1 "

INVESTIGATION OF REFRACTION
IN THE LOW ATMOSPHERE
By
K. HORV_,.TH
Department of Survey. Technical university. Budapest
(Received Alay 29, 1969)
Presented by Ass. Prof. Dr. F. SAHKOZY```

2019-03-23 08:17:54 UTC

Meanwhile the paper that Mick West cited already assumed spherical symmetry

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558927389481238538/FlatEarthRefractionSmack.png

2019-03-23 08:18:31 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/558927545064488960/FlatEarthAssume.png

2019-03-23 08:18:33 UTC

Interesting!

2019-03-23 08:19:03 UTC

But we donโ€™t need to know those things to know we use Earthโ€™s orbit to do things.

2019-03-23 08:19:41 UTC

@Timebomb But how can your calculations POSSIBLY be correct if your unmeasured Radius and assumed sphericity are in error or cannot be scientifically proven?

2019-03-23 08:19:51 UTC

Earth is a frisbee

2019-03-23 08:21:33 UTC

Did you ever respond to the dude with the surveyor description thing?

2019-03-23 08:21:34 UTC

@Timebomb also Mick West, the owner of Metabunk, the poster of that thread ADMITTED on camera R was an assumed unprovable value
https://youtu.be/tLYcqOyU9ZA

2019-03-23 08:21:38 UTC

Maybe shoot him an email?

2019-03-23 08:23:47 UTC

So to plug the assumed sphericity they have an assumed radius, when long distance photography shatters this assumption, another assumption is put in place, refraction bending around the sphere to make the Earth appear flat, then when light is shown with lasers shot dozens of kilometers away curves up......... there's no answer

2019-03-23 08:24:06 UTC

And adding to that, metabunkโ€™s curve calc canโ€™t be the only curve Calc on the internet, right?

2019-03-23 08:24:09 UTC

So unless you can explain to me how light curves up then down again you don't really have a leg to stand on

2019-03-23 08:24:36 UTC

It's open source too!

2019-03-23 08:24:54 UTC

bung in hte numbers, 2,800 eye height, target distance 443,000 meters

2019-03-23 08:25:10 UTC

It's mathematically impossible with the standard globe earth model

2019-03-23 08:25:16 UTC

If it was possible I would still be a glober

2019-03-23 08:26:01 UTC

You should seriously bring these concerns to a mathematician

2019-03-23 08:26:09 UTC

Or an astrophysicist or something

2019-03-23 08:26:15 UTC

You seem to really know your stuff

2019-03-23 08:26:19 UTC

Because I donโ€™t lol

2019-03-23 08:26:51 UTC

I have and they have buried us, ignored us, banned us from the international astronomical union, banned us from nasa, banned us from roskosmos, we've been labelled a "dangerous cult" by physics professors.

2019-03-23 08:26:56 UTC

Have you ever considered sitting down with a local university professor or something and talking about this? Iโ€™m serious, not teasing.

2019-03-23 08:27:17 UTC

They've sent in actors to pretend to be flat earth and make what we've worked out seem rediculous

2019-03-23 08:27:30 UTC

They have sent in trolls to character assassinate us

2019-03-23 08:27:36 UTC

They have kicked us from our own server

2019-03-23 08:27:51 UTC

Because until youโ€™ve gotten this published, peer reviewed, and accepted, I donโ€™t know how to believe your work.

2019-03-23 08:28:01 UTC

Server? Which server?

2019-03-23 08:28:34 UTC

If you knew what me, @Rigg5 @โœงMike Flatbird (Mike Blackbird)โœง @A Search for Roche's Rifle @Citizen Z @L.O.X @wobblyboost all saw and witnessed in the years of telling people what we've just told you, your skin would crawl from the scale of deception that really goes on and the lengths these people will go to bury the truth.

2019-03-23 08:28:47 UTC

24/7 Flat Earth

2019-03-23 08:28:54 UTC

formerly ODD 24/7 before it got taken over

2019-03-23 08:29:02 UTC

I was banned from that too lol as Iโ€™ve said

2019-03-23 08:29:11 UTC

Were you banned too?

2019-03-23 08:29:15 UTC

And if so why?

2019-03-23 08:30:55 UTC

Yeet

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