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Looks like the astronomers used the โmaximum distance methodโ
Whilst assuming a spherical Earth, whilst assuming a radius of Earth
What's the assumed value of "R" in their model again?
R as being....?
Radius? Distance?
Earth's Radius yes please
Uhm... isnโt it 6000 miles ish?
Oops thatโs KM
3963 miles
6,371 kilometers yes?
Yes
It says on Google 6378km but ya know
And is the radius of Earth used in ALL astronomical model calculations?
If theyโre using trigonometry, Iโd assume so. Since stellar parallax only works for objects less than 300 LY away though, they would t use it for V616 Mon, I believe.
Do you agree that if Earth were a sphere, trigonometry would be correct?
Iโm no expert, I donโt know haha
i.e. d0 is the distance between the elevations and the lowest point of the observation, tree, tower, hill, mountain? d1 us the distance to the bulge and d2 is the distance from the bulge to the cutoff point?
h1 is the cut off point
h0 is the observer height?
R is Earth's Radius
Agreed?
Sure
Whatโs the point
Can you explain to me then how this mountain is visible then pleaes?
Ahh Iโve seen this one before
But why change the subject from stellar parallax, if I may ask?
How can a 3,800 meter tall mountain be visible if the minimum cut off is 5,064 meters?
@Timebomb Because all astronomical calculations use an assumed Spherical Earth with an assumed Radius of 6,371 or in your case 6,378km
Why does the line go BELOW the curve?
@Timebomb If the Radius, which by the way has never been measured....
Is in error....
How can any of the astronomical models calculations possibly be correct?
It looks like the consensus here is that he misses out on something called hidden refraction
Do you know who the owner of metabunk is?
He's this guy, his name is Mick West
The very first response of the thread answers the question nicely
Uhh... so what?
We asked him about snells law, he DELETED the thread
Are all of the answers made by government shills?
Lol
Or real people?
That point is so irrelevant
I personally meticulously went through his code, guess what he told me
Who cares who made the site
He told me that his refracted curve calculation relies on a "surveyors rule of thumb 7/6 times R"
Ok... is that a problem?
Well yes it is because he's asserting light curves down around the surface of the Earth, but we observe light curving up into the sky
Light curves around a gravitational body yes
No it doesn't, we found peer reviewed scientific journals that clearly show light curves up
Here's one such publicaiton
Here is another
```"It is obvious that the effect of temperature variation is decisive over the
other atmospheric factors on refraction, to the following proportions: Tempera
ture to humidity to carbon dioxide content to air preEsure = 100 : 6 : 2 : 1 "
INVESTIGATION OF REFRACTION
IN THE LOW ATMOSPHERE
By
K. HORV_,.TH
Department of Survey. Technical university. Budapest
(Received Alay 29, 1969)
Presented by Ass. Prof. Dr. F. SAHKOZY```
Meanwhile the paper that Mick West cited already assumed spherical symmetry
Interesting!
But we donโt need to know those things to know we use Earthโs orbit to do things.
@Timebomb But how can your calculations POSSIBLY be correct if your unmeasured Radius and assumed sphericity are in error or cannot be scientifically proven?
Earth is a frisbee
Did you ever respond to the dude with the surveyor description thing?
@Timebomb also Mick West, the owner of Metabunk, the poster of that thread ADMITTED on camera R was an assumed unprovable value
https://youtu.be/tLYcqOyU9ZA
Maybe shoot him an email?
So to plug the assumed sphericity they have an assumed radius, when long distance photography shatters this assumption, another assumption is put in place, refraction bending around the sphere to make the Earth appear flat, then when light is shown with lasers shot dozens of kilometers away curves up......... there's no answer
And adding to that, metabunkโs curve calc canโt be the only curve Calc on the internet, right?
So unless you can explain to me how light curves up then down again you don't really have a leg to stand on
sure this one
https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/
It's open source too!
bung in hte numbers, 2,800 eye height, target distance 443,000 meters
It's mathematically impossible with the standard globe earth model
If it was possible I would still be a glober
You should seriously bring these concerns to a mathematician
Or an astrophysicist or something
You seem to really know your stuff
Because I donโt lol
I have and they have buried us, ignored us, banned us from the international astronomical union, banned us from nasa, banned us from roskosmos, we've been labelled a "dangerous cult" by physics professors.
Have you ever considered sitting down with a local university professor or something and talking about this? Iโm serious, not teasing.
They've sent in actors to pretend to be flat earth and make what we've worked out seem rediculous
They have sent in trolls to character assassinate us
They have kicked us from our own server
Because until youโve gotten this published, peer reviewed, and accepted, I donโt know how to believe your work.
Server? Which server?
If you knew what me, @Rigg5 @โงMike Flatbird (Mike Blackbird)โง @A Search for Roche's Rifle @Citizen Z @L.O.X @wobblyboost all saw and witnessed in the years of telling people what we've just told you, your skin would crawl from the scale of deception that really goes on and the lengths these people will go to bury the truth.
24/7 Flat Earth
formerly ODD 24/7 before it got taken over
I was banned from that too lol as Iโve said
Were you banned too?
And if so why?
nice
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