I should have made it more clear

Nah I was being pedantic, just in case you were a creationist

Its ok

And also you have the dinosaurs are lizards role

@Quorum you cant verify there is reflector on the moon.

You dont know if the craters on the moon were caused by impacts

Seeing planets just means you are seeing lights. You dont actually know if they can be landed on. You just believe nasa.

Show me a picture of satellite using an telescope

If you do have a picture..it doesnt really mean anything as most likeky there is things flying above us

Nothing you said proves the shape of earth. Just a belief system you are in

OML dude.

I said clearly that *anyone* can use a high powered laser, shoot it at the retro-reflector on the moon and have it bounce back to Earth. Pretty hard to hide the fact that there is no retro-reflector when you tell millions of people that you can all shoot a high powered laser at the reflector on the moon and have the laser bounce back.

The craters on the moon being caused by impacts is a more reasonable stance than "i don't know". And the craters are caused by impacts, as we *have* been to the moon, and the reflector is there to prove it.

Alright, @Quorum has been warned for '**Duplicated text**'.

Planets aren't just lights as they're not emitting light, and you can clearly see each planet with a telescope. You can see Jupiter's ring and its red spot clear as day through a telescope.

Satellites aren't just things flying above us, you can clearly see each part of the satellite, and even predict their orbit. There are countless guides by normal people with telescopes on how to see satellites with a telescope. Anyone with a telescope can see satellites and predict their orbit. And as it is a telescope, you can vividly see each part of the satellite because of how zoomed-in it is.


The fact that satellites are clearly observable by millions of people, including yourself, in orbit *due to gravity* and anyone can buy a high powered laser and shoot it at the retro-reflector proves the Earth is a globe, and that we have been to space. If this isn't enough evidence for you, then you are undeniably in a belief system, and I really can't help you. I won't judge if you change your mind, it's just switching a view.

Alright, @Quorum has been warned for '**Duplicated text**'.

^ Was trying to copy-paste what the bot deleted

Quorum. Your just said. I quote... " evolution is pretty apparent today". Where do you get your horrible misguided facts from? A comic book about dinosaurs??

He saw it so I must of seen it meaning they all observed it so it must be true

Ok, so your claim is there is no reflector that can bounce lasers on the moon.

If so I would hold you to that.

*Implies everyone can buy a telescope* like their in The dollar store 😂

Telescopes aren't a fortune.

They aren't cheap either

Quit speaking on everyone's behalf

The fact that people *can* buy a telescope makes it not impossible.

If they really wanted to hide this, they wouldn't allow the selling of telescopes.

Not everyone can buy a telescope

Not true

That doesn't mean no one can.

Telescopes aren't that expensive anyways

List the cheapest telescope, that meets the requirements to see through space

I think your talking out of your neck

Your acting like a telescope is 100 bucks

I don't get why this matters. You're acting as if telescopes are artifacts impossible to obtain.

they are

they are expensive if u want a godo one

Your acting as tho telescopes are cheap

And speaking on everyone behalf

And also implying that because I can buy a telescope

The world is a globe

Tell ya what, since telescopes are so cheap and easily available to you. Go buy one, zoom into a satellite and show us a picture

If you're really going to sit here and say that NASA told everyone that they put a reflector on the moon that can bounce back high powered lasers and encouraged people to do so, when they didn't, that not one of the 7 billion+ people on earth has debunked this.

Your making these claims the burden of proof should be on you

I've looked through a telescope and I didn't or haven't seen any satilletes

Satellites aren't everywhere

Oh really?

Just read a guide

Riiight

There are several from people who have seen them.

You do realize that that's the entire planet right

Any evidence for what your saying?

And not the pin point you're standing on.

Lol

Does that mean I can't see them?

You can go out and buy a high powered laser and shoot it at the retro-reflector right now and debunk your entire conspiracy belief.

*Makes a debate room*

A high powered laser Cost TEN TIMES MORE then a telescope

👍

What reality do you live in?

Those things are upwards to the grands

Then save up for one. If you can buy a car and a house, you can save up enough money to buy a laser and debunk a global conspiracy.

Lol save up for a laser to point up at the sky.

Riight

Refusing to debunk yourself.

You're in a belief system.

I'll just stay woke, and not sip the Kool-Aid

I really can't help you dude

I'd rather have my beliefs back through real evidence then just saying this

Millions of others saw it

So it must be true

Have you don't any of the things your spouting here?

Yes, and you can see it too.

But you refuse, of course.

Or just regurgitating?

Yea your just regurgitating

"they said" "he saw" "NASA"

Ok, are you simply saying it is physically impossible to buy a high powered laser, shoot it at the moon and have it bounce back to earth?

Your the one with great ideas and you seem to think they cost like 20 bucks

Yes or no.

Nasa is god

You go out and prove your claims

No did I say that?

Believe in nasa

Yes or no.

You wanna fill my mouth with your rhetoric

I never even hinted at that

So next.

I'm literally asking you if there is a reflector on the moon

Go buy a telescope.

Go buy a high powered laser

And do this

Instead of saying millions of others did it

I'm asking you to. I know it's there.

😋

Cause I've looked through a telescope. I haven't seen any satilletes

Right you know it's there lol

Taste the rainbow

Do you still have the telescope?

Just like I know the lore of dragons

Auto correct why

So they must be real

Do you still have the telescope?

I recently bought one again

If so, read a guide on how to find satellites using a telescope, and even how to predict their orbit. You're believing that there is 7 billion+ people in this world and not one single person has ever found out that there is no reflector, and that the millions who have used the reflector are all NASA secret agents.

So it really is an irrational belief system

7 billion people saw it, so it must be real

Dang you went from just saying NASA, to millions to billions

And I'm in a belief system

😂 😂

I didnt say billions saw it

wait, are these the thots that think the earth is flat?

I said there are 7 billion+ people alive

Oof

@The Gwench regarding your request for sources on the lunar ranging experiment
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

@Samwise Thank you for providing that. However I thought I requested this from someone else. Whatever. That someone else was not very forthcoming.

I gave several ways you can prove to yourself that we've been to space and that there is orbit from gravity, but I guess that isn't enough. Logic really never is enough.

Maybe he's a bit tired of trying to explain

I can understand that

But yeah

When they landed on the moon they put retroreflectors on it

It's a long term experiment

Feck work is dull

Millions used the reflector 😂

How did they first measure the distance to the moon in order to get the amount of fuel needed to get there

If they went to the moon why dont they ever go back

They never went there

There is no reflector

Go point a laser at the moon yourself and see if you can be one of the millions to use the reflector

😂

Please verify this yourself

Any surface has a reflective capacity z

The reflectors were installed for a more conventional use

Also, the reason why they don't want to go to the moon is because the main focus is on Mars, but there's many mining companies that are lobbying for rights to mine the moon

Moon rocks are worth more than gold

Name 20 people that have lasers that are doing this

@Citizen Z he acts as if these lazers cost dollars

Main focus on mars?

These lasers are thousands

Lol

http://www.keckobservatory.org

Lasers are millions

I hate when people with ridiculous claims say, oh ya just go buy thousands dollars in equipment

Or they resort to saying

Run by companies like McDonald douglas

Or nasa

"Millions" have done it

Name one.

Leik

And then says I'm in a belief system

Lmfao c'mon

Sam they are not going to Mars

Elon musk said they are

They cant even go to fake space

They tell you

In your face

Iove when people say his tesla car just past mars

I literally blurt out

https://youtu.be/GSIPYHlsYso

They lost contact with the teala car after its 4 hour commercial

Why?

Cuz its not up there

Sorry I got busy

Its a joke

They lie straight to your face

And you believe them

Z, do you know what is a red shift, blue shift?

Exactly @Citizen Z

Yea do you

Also lasers are not the only method of calculating distances

There's no damn car up there

What is a red shift z?

They are literally saying different colors means things are millions of lightyears away

Lol

<:GWqlabsFacepalm:405043237116444674>

They measured the wavelengths

Its a belief system sam

Its a mathematical construct

Based on an assumed heliocentric model

The original idea was based off an assumption

Like working backwards in a maze

Much easier to pass things as logical or correct in a tunneled vision

Redshift debunks the big bang

Especially if you made up your answer

Do you understand the relationship between wavelength and frequency?

I'm sure you'll share

No no

I'm asking z

Falsified Big Bang by redshift: http://electric-cosmos.org/arp.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F7xdA83yRg&t=1s

https://youtu.be/SXJihMXHpho

"If the Earth were at the center of the universe, the attraction of the surrounding mass of stars would also produce redshifts wherever we looked! [This] theory seems quite consistent with our astronomical observations" - Paul Davies in Nature

"The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is simply incorrect" - Lawrence Krauss, 2006

Ok

Wavelength and frequency are opposites

If the wavelength is long, low frequency

Red shift

Thus meaning that something is far

Blue shift is the opposite

How far?

What system do they use for that?

The stronger the frequency, the shorter the wavelength, the nearer the object

Far could mean 30000 miles or a million light years?

You think you can see that far?

You think photons are coming to your eye from millions of lightyears away?

A million light years!😨😂

The milky way is only 40 lightyears across

A light year, is the time it takes one photon of light to reach one point from another

Also

Z

Dude

What is the claim for the distance to the furthest star?

Also z

Stop sam

Answer the question

You would have to look at the time it takes light from the star to reach earth

They cant know that

Spectrometers are also used

Its theoretical based on a model

It's not z

Yes it is

What the claim sam

To furthest star?

It is wtf

Show how it is not theoretical

I'd love to see that

Tell me the furthest star

In your model

When you say furthest star, is it from earth alone or the solar system?

Then think about the bullshit we are being fed

Did you know in your heliocentrisic model you now have 3 earth moons?

I'm not even trolling

Z?

Dead serious

Please specify

Sam

Or the solar system

You can't even decide on a starting point

C'mon man

What is the distance to the furthest star in your globe model? @Samwise

They put these distances so far because its the only way to explain the model

Simple

Whats the distance?

Simple question

You keep avoiding