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This is based off of the fe model
has antarctica around the entire world
then what makes a guess better than hundreds of years of science
doesn't really matter who. the fact that each part of antarctica on a map is visit-able, shows it's not incorrect
literally anyone can go to antarctica by themselves.
anyone can go to antarctica and find out
literally anyone can buy a plane and take a trip.
are you talking about commercial planes?
not sure, but that isn't exactly the point.
the antarctic treaty doesnt stop anyone
if you specifically are manning the boat, and go to a certain place using a globe map
you would be landing in the wrong place
just googled the antarctic commission, nothing pops up thats related
"If you had a good enough boat and provisions, no-ones going to stop you sailing there and exploring it yourself, in fact, one area named Marie Byrd Land isn't even claimed yet, so you may stake your own there."
don't you think people would know this then?
if everyone is saying all you need is a good boat and provisions
people would be going there, and debunking it
if everyone is saying you can roam freely, then people would go there expecting to roam freely, learn that they cant, and massively debunk this
the fact that the coast of antarctica isn't stretching around every land mass
and has the largest land mass perimeter
If you were to explode a nuke into space, it would act as an EMP across the US and kill around 85% of America in 10 years.
About this picture, this isn't CGI. It just faded out and faded in a couple seconds later.
That's why the black thing on the left also fades then teleports a couple seconds ahead of where it was going.
Also the fact that if the "CGI" or whatevs you want to call it, is showing the man going through the door, there would be no reason to stop this and instead fade the man out of existence.
Astronauts put a retroreflector on the moon so anyone with a high powered laser could shoot it at the retroreflector would have the laser bounce back to earth.
Pretty sure it still stands on the moon to this day.
Oh, should I post this in <#484534825341157388>?
Yeah, I really can't stand the trolling rules. People really have saturated the meaning of "trolling" so much to ban whoever they don't like.
Bustr, Mutt, and Griefer trolls are hardly trolls, they're just being a general asshole.
And some of these "trolling" types are there purely to let staff abuse without taking criticism, like "concern troll".
"If you cannot take criticism, then it can only mean you have no respect for them"
You're focused on the fact that I'm mildly concerned, not about *why* I'm concerned. Obviously, I'm concerned for a reason. So I don't see a reason to get angry
If you take personal offense to things put in <#484513575801454593> then you must personally be tied with the guidelines in there.
And it's just fucking rules and I'm giving criticism, quit baby raging...
^ Space isn't fake. You can see each planet, the moon in very high detail (including craters), and satellites using a telescope, and astroauts put a retroreflector (kinda like a mirror) on the moon so anyone with a high powered laser can shoot it at the retroreflector and hive it bounce back to Earth.
I don't need sources. Anyone can buy a telescope or a high powered laser.
""Here's what I think troll"" Disagreeing with most of the things your opponent says isn't trolling. If I think the earth is a globe and someone else thinks the earth is a disk, then obviously we're going to disagree about most things.
"Amazon troll" Expressing a disliking of someone or something isn't trolling. Unless it's senseless rapid insults that is clearly intented to be trolling.
"Bustr troll" Not even a type of troll. It's just someone who's holding a grudge.
"Mutt troll" Also not a type of troll. It's someone who holds a grudge *and* gossips.
"Concern troll" When I googled the definition, it even pointed out that it's mis-used so often, and it is. Basically, if a staff bans or mutes someome for eating Froot Loops and not Fuity Pebbles, if anyone says it's abuse, they cry "conCErN tRolL1!11" and ban them aswell to cover themselves.
"Persistent Debate troll" I think this just describes someone who people don't like. Thinking you're right and everyone else is wrong isn't trolling, otherwise every flat earther would be trolling society. And trying to get the last message also isn't trolling, it's just a cringe thing people do when they try to win arguments.
Wait, are you a flat earther or no? Im confused
I don't really believe in a god that much, but im not really athiest. When i die ill find out.
I mostly don't believe in a creator because evolution is pretty apparent even today, and churches were used to scam people for thousands of dollars until Martin Luther wrote about it.
Also how the Bible is the #1 sold book in america I'm pretty sure. It's a money driven world, i would really not be surprised if god didn't exist.
I said clearly that *anyone* can use a high powered laser, shoot it at the retro-reflector on the moon and have it bounce back to Earth. Pretty hard to hide the fact that there is no retro-reflector when you tell millions of people that you can all shoot a high powered laser at the reflector on the moon and have the laser bounce back.
The craters on the moon being caused by impacts is a more reasonable stance than "i don't know". And the craters are caused by impacts, as we *have* been to the moon, and the reflector is there to prove it.
Planets aren't just lights as they're not emitting light, and you can clearly see each planet with a telescope. You can see Jupiter's ring and its red spot clear as day through a telescope.
Satellites aren't just things flying above us, you can clearly see each part of the satellite, and even predict their orbit. There are countless guides by normal people with telescopes on how to see satellites with a telescope. Anyone with a telescope can see satellites and predict their orbit. And as it is a telescope, you can vividly see each part of the satellite because of how zoomed-in it is.
The fact that satellites are clearly observable by millions of people, including yourself, in orbit *due to gravity* and anyone can buy a high powered laser and shoot it at the retro-reflector proves the Earth is a globe, and that we have been to space. If this isn't enough evidence for you, then you are undeniably in a belief system, and I really can't help you. I won't judge if you change your mind, it's just switching a view.
^ Was trying to copy-paste what the bot deleted
Ok, so your claim is there is no reflector that can bounce lasers on the moon.
The fact that people *can* buy a telescope makes it not impossible.
If they really wanted to hide this, they wouldn't allow the selling of telescopes.
I don't get why this matters. You're acting as if telescopes are artifacts impossible to obtain.
If you're really going to sit here and say that NASA told everyone that they put a reflector on the moon that can bounce back high powered lasers and encouraged people to do so, when they didn't, that not one of the 7 billion+ people on earth has debunked this.
There are several from people who have seen them.
You do realize that that's the entire planet right
You can go out and buy a high powered laser and shoot it at the retro-reflector right now and debunk your entire conspiracy belief.
Then save up for one. If you can buy a car and a house, you can save up enough money to buy a laser and debunk a global conspiracy.
Ok, are you simply saying it is physically impossible to buy a high powered laser, shoot it at the moon and have it bounce back to earth?
I'm literally asking you if there is a reflector on the moon
If so, read a guide on how to find satellites using a telescope, and even how to predict their orbit. You're believing that there is 7 billion+ people in this world and not one single person has ever found out that there is no reflector, and that the millions who have used the reflector are all NASA secret agents.
I gave several ways you can prove to yourself that we've been to space and that there is orbit from gravity, but I guess that isn't enough. Logic really never is enough.
Citizen and reesey have been raping rule 15 for quite a while
Just saw your post thing, by "teleports" I mean both the man and the black thing that's slightly moving upwards on the very left of the screen both fade out, then fade in around 4 seconds ahead.
It looks like the man is CGI, or whatever graphical thing this is referring to, because the space station is stationary, no pun intended, but the man and the little black object on the left are not, they're moving. So it looks as though the man is the only thing being "graphically manipulated". Also, talk about zooming-in to get an angle out of context.
W o a h, that's astonishingly amazing argument. Just claim I'm wrong and that I'm brain washed.
It fades out the clip and fades in further in time. When the man is through the door and the small black object is higher up.
Jesus christ dude, I'm explaining this simply.
With common sense you can simply have the thought that there is no reason to make the man vanish.
Not sure what this gif is supposed to be, but ok
It's a blurry one second gif of a satellite looking object, I cant tell what it's supposed to show cause im brainwashed
I don't think youve ever held a basketball
If the moon is thousands of miles up, why can we see the moon in daytime even through the entire atmosphere, but the world record for farthest distance seen is, I think 275 miles?
If we can't see infinitely far on a flat Earth due to debris, humidity, etc... why can we see craters on the moon in daytime using telescopes when the moon is at least a thousand miles up, but we can hardly see over 250 miles looking straight even when using telescopes?
At most, countries would just be forced to be better allies
That would literally cause global panic. All countries uniting into one, alien invasion, discovery of aliens that could kill humans, etc... would cause panic
Do flat earthers have an explanation for why there is a Southern polar star but no South pole on any flat Earth models?
From that very last image, im guessing that's supposed to be a globe and the lines are showing the star trails
Those are straight lines from that perspective, but that isn't the same perspective of the stars that we have standing on Earth.
The lines are straight from the perspective of, let's say, floating in space away from Earth with the stars that close, but from the perspective of being on Earth, you can see the lines from the trails, and the ones away from your near center vision, about to the left and right, let's say the north and south poles were to the left and right, are visibly circles and not straight lines.
It's hard to explain, and is mostly visual
I explained that poorly, but a better version is that it's like hula hoops. If you have a hula hoop and hold it out towards you perfectly horizontally, it can look like a straight line. But when you raise the hula hoop above your head, it's a circle.
If there were an alien invasion, theyd get wiped out by our alien bacteria in minutes.
Those images of the stars aren't looking straight up, and one of them is using a wide angled lense
If you used a regular lense and positioned your camera so that the stars were completely vertical, they would be straight
How straight, for each trail to be straight?
Ok, now I get what you're saying.
The photo at 4:53 is using a wide angled lens I think, but the other photos, that's just how it would look on a spinning ball. The star trails you made on paper would look like straight lines, but that isn't the perspective people take photos from on Earth. If you drew the star trails *on* the ball, not away from it, then the stars would curve away from the equator because those stars aren't on the equator. Only the stars on the equator make straight lines.
Stars basically curve away from the equator because they aren't aligned with the equator, or not on the equator, so they're "trailing" but angled away from the equator
It's hard to explain because it's mostly visual, but try drawing it from the perspective of being on the ball, and it would do the same thing.
Im not talking about the perspective formula or whatevs, Im talking about the angle at which you look at something
From the angle you drew on paper, the lines are straight. From the perspective of standing *on* the ball, it would look the same as in the photos.
You're drawing the star trails from a different perspective than the actual photos
yeh, same reason why a southern polar star is impossible on a flat Earth yet it exists
anyone up for fortnite dame tu cosita theory
its that dame tu cosita and his sister crafted pickaxes all the way to fortnite to tell the government to stop making diamond hoes
The government has nothing to do with peer review
Several independant sources study autism and find each time that it runs in the family, or is genetic
And theyre independant from the government
Are there any tests done to prove vaccines dont work besides the government is shilling?
Just make a statement without the evidence then
Z, do you think autism is at all genetic?
Yeah, but billions are vaccinated, also i think some people are allergic to the vaccine
Z, the same way you cant convince people that vaccines are bad, is the same way i cant convince you the earth is spherical. Its the same for everyone
Im willing to read stuff if its 1 link and not 100.
I think some people have allergic reactions to vaccines. Saw an anti vaxxer who had a reaction to a band aid
I would just like to say that autism causes lots of things to happen in the brain, I dont think a liquid could cause so many specific things to happen
Flat earthers are very different from globe earthers, so globe earthers just want to debate them or see why they believe the earth is flat.
Id like to speak about the space being fake thing though.
We can see Jupiter and Saturn with its rings in the sky using telescopes. Flat earthers always say theyre just lights, but the planets are seen reflecting light, not emitting light.
We can see Jupiter's moons orbitting Jupiter and creating solar eclipses on Jupiter as the moons block out light from the Sun. The globe model even predicts when the next triple solar eclipse will happen on Jupiter, and this is all observable through telescopes.
The next triple solar eclipse on Jupiter is December 30, 2032.
Globebusters did an experiment with a ring laser gyroscope and calculated that if the Earth were a spinning ball, the Earth would rotate 15 degrees per hour, therefore the gyro would drift 15 degrees per hour, and it did.
They then put the gyro in a Zero Guass Chamber to remove any "heavenly energies" as a factor, and it still drifted.
I was going to keep going, but the 0 deaths from measles and 108 deaths from vaccines thing... really? Before I even start with this, it says "Deaths in the U.S. during the past 10 years" yet it says "2004 - 2015" which is 11 years. So which is it?
Since their using both 10 and 11, I'll average that out to 10.5 and divide 108 by that amount, which is 10.2.
So you're telling me that they made a vaccine industry costing billions of dollars to kill around 10 people out of the 325 million people in America a year? Amazing. Let's all get diseases because of this.
You posted about 266 links, this is shotgun argumentation at its worst.
I was making my argument solely off of the anti-vax picture
I never actually asked questions, I just directly responded to that one anti vax picture
Someone died from measles in 2015 in california
Can people have perms to post images here?
Ill just post it in <#484515645258596369>
I drew a picture of why the star trails diverge from the equatorial star trail, if you wanna see it then just ask
The only news I know is of the government shutdown. I dont watch the news because 1. Boring. 2. Could be yellow journalism. 3. If it's important enough, I'll hear about it without watching the news, like the gov. shutdown.
This is a visualization of the star trails and why they diverge from the equatorial star trail.
It's impossible for a curved star strail, like a star trail near a polar star, to be a straight line while far to the left/right of your FOV
It's like holding a hula hoop out in front of you vertically and seeing a straight line, then moving it to the right and still seeing a straight line and not an arc towards your middle FOV
Like, try imagining that image you drew with the straight lines over my image, but with the northern and souther polar stars
Its impossible to always get straight lines besides near the equator since eventually the lines will have to shrink in size
And become the polar stars and the tiny circles around them, slowly making them circles and not straight lines
That middle line represents the star trail at the equator btw
No kid is becoming trans unless they want to
It was sexual because it was sexual, not because they were trans
This is sharp shooter fallacy tbh, you're taking an event where kids were wrongly sexualized and saying that means all transgender kids are sexualized.
Pre-k to 7th is useful, then it's just wasting your time until youre 18
Peper, I think that's sharpshooter fallacy
Most people I see in my schools can hardly write a decent essay
Can I switch to flat/globe stuff, because I think I have 2 things that debunk flat Earth
"Geography: Define latitude and longtitude" jesus christ
Sexualizing kids is wrong, but idk what trans people in general have ever done to you 🤷
Its vague on purpose, so just think about it or google it
How hard is it to Google the meaning of words? I guess it's easier to stay wrong and use the "fake" card 24/7 isn't it.
Sex: "either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions."
Gender: "either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."
There is no "redefining" the words when they're straight from the definitions.
Google the definitions. I admire your ability to pick and choose which facts are correct and which facts aren't, based on your beliefs.
Sex is biological. Gender is social. Hence, trans*gender*. You can redefine English words or decide they don't exist if you want.
Ill debate about the earth being a globe.
This isn't about curvature, it's about how there is observably a south pole, which isn't on a flat earth.
You can power tantrum about an hour long video, I don't really care. 👌 👋
Actually why y'all were un-partnered from Flat Earth Society
Whoever is saying buoyancy and density causes things to fall, stop.
It's an effect of things falling, not the cause.
Because in schools they teach you the melting temperature of unsaturated fats and how to make oragami DNA using crayons and paper in high school.
The stars are light years away. If an object is light years away and even if you're moving really fast, does it appear to move? No. The further away something is, the more you (or it) has to move for it to actually appear to be moving.
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