the roadsigns are arbitrary but based on linean clasification

I'm gonna do a debate sin, but I'm gonna argue from status or whatever it's called. But I have a zoology degree I know how all this works.

so far it dosent seem like it

Oof

Bit rude

lol

anyway i have a wierd reptile i want to show yu

(if i can find it)

But you are being needlessly pendantic, i will also call Mammals reptiles as there is a clear line of descendance

pedantic*

Ironic

lol

I'm on my phone so I can't spell

that sounds like an argument that trees are mamals because they have a common ancestor

altho its more likely you are going by

that the ancestor of them was reptilian

Well no, because you can track reptiles forwards to mammals.

mamals and lizards

Instead of backwards to plants

thats why i said its more likely the next thing i said

Dude, this is just being pedantic now

And I'm still a bit annoyed at you insulting my education and kinda being disrespectful

kiwi education is good education

it's the best in the world

i simply stated how it seems

along with aussie and finnish

although, personally, ive found australians to be _very_ dumb lol

Kiwi education is a solid 7/10

no offence intended

Idk I'm not Aussie

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS I used to be in another server with him, he does this all the time lol

@Moist Mayonnaise I get what you mean, this is just the same pedantic argument but it's not about conspiraces

?

well im sorry they get into the deep aspects

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS I don''t really know anything about biology so can't really comment, but he regularly just spouts nonsense about things he doesn't understand then gets all self righteous

it always seems to reduce to semantical prtoblems

@Σ5 bruh we are just doing long "no u"s we aren't getting anywhere

okay please just stop saying pedantic

how about condescending?

no we where doing a long back and forth of me trying to explain its simply a matter of what you work with and how you clasify things

its simply a difrent clasification system

But to say birds are reptiles is a massive oversimplification, just like phylogenetic trees in general

and you saying its wrong because it dosent match your system

untill the end tho

@Σ5 what's up with the spellings?

because im not good at spelling

oh okay that's cool

also i tend to type too fast

It's over simplified not incorrect, but birds are reptiles is my pet peeve

birds are reptiles what?

ok

did i just read that?

in phylogenic clasification they are

@dumblebore 🌈 they evolved from dinosaurs

they are still dinosaurs

oh

like the flying ones?

?

pterosaurs are not dinosaurs

small feathered Dino's became modern birds

well they still are dinosaurs in phylogenic clasification

oh

so how did they get to flying?

in linaean clasification idk

they use the feathers to insulate themselves and the eggs

the longer feathers where used for the eggs

my school taught me that aves is a separate class only, just like reptiles and mammals lol

eventually they where able to use the feathers to propell themselves

ah

in lineaen clasification aves is seperate

@Moist Mayonnaise to put it into a term you'd understand it's like arguing about aether being consistent with special realtivity. Small details that don't really matter but easy to be mistaken about

they used the feathers to propell themselves in aiding climbing trees

then eventually that led to gliding and then flying

That's only one theory, the other one is that they chased flying bugs and that's how I they began flying

well thast one way

so because they've descended from dinosaurs, they should be classified as reptiles?

gliding from trees or just rnning on land

@dumblebore 🌈 yes, but mammals are also descended from reptiles

because they evolved from reptiles they are by deffinition reptiles in phylogenic clasification

So you need to make a distinction and not use only one classification

https://askabiologist.asu.edu/questions/birds-dinosaurs-reptiles

what we call the first reptile is kinda arbitrary tho

This says it better than I could

but then didn't life begin from the sea?

Yeah it did

so then aren't we all descended from pisces or aquatic animals then?

tyhere where reptilian animals arround way before the reptile group first apeared

yes

It's almost as if species are completely arbitrary

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the only solution is to either clasify mamals and reptiles as fish

or that fish has no meaning

in phylogenic clasification

if fish has a meaning then its basicly synnonymous with chordata

or at least a shortly decended group from that

What are you on about

he said "so then aren't we all descended from pisces or aquatic animals then?"

i responded with a guess with where he was going