It's a really good show

On Netflix

Their algorithms so fucked up you get your video taken out if you mention something controversial

Meh I couldn’t get into it

I agree we can't leave it to alogrithims however if we leave it to people they I'd a high rate of burnout as they manually have to see terrible stuff that gets uploaded it's a lose lose @Satan

Machines are about as impartial as you get, I can’t think of a better way tbh

Well there has to be something done if you want to make it a safe space

If not then don't censor

Except explicit shit like child porn or snuff

@xXPuppyLoverXx I don't think they are impartial, they can be trained and baised

@xXPuppyLoverXx Machines are as impartial as the people that design them.

I agree with puppy but I mean it's faulty

Well yeah it gets a tad more complex once you bring machine learning into the picture

@Satan yeah but who goes through the terrible stuff a human who will need therapy or a robot that wont

So does everything though

I mean Google doesn't know how their YouTube algorithm works anymore machine learning made it too complex

@The Gwench they aren’t explicitly designed to favour one thing over another, they tend towards what the user watches

That's why I said don't censor
It's easier to filter out extremely bad stuff like CP or gore but becomes faulty if you want to detect fake news articles @I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS

If you constantly watch right wing political videos it will recommend more, that’s not bias that’s just it learning what you like to watch and giving you more

Like YouTube, it's easier to filter out decapitation and child porn but when they implemented the not having controversial title shit it went downhill

That's why you target the pages that share fake news and the websites that make fake news

That might affect shit like onion which relies on sarcasm

Satire should be protected

Exactly

Programming a computer to understand satire and sarcasm is basically the holy grail of CS though

😂

@xXPuppyLoverXx How do you know that for sure? I mean...remember the computer chips that were installed in cars to make it seem like the carbon emissions were lower that they actually were? I forget the name of the car manufacturer.

Which is why FB added the satire tag years ago

That’s not how it works

Skewing numbers and making a machine learning system favour one political side over another is a very different thing entirely

^

The diesel emissions thing worked by detecting when a test was underway and increasing the amount of DEF fed into the engine

So you get less emissions at the cost of briefly increased usage of adblue

But @xXPuppyLoverXx
It's been fucking up YouTube
Sarcastic content made for comedy gets taken out thinking it's actually controversial

Well yeah, that’s kinda where AI breaks down at the moment

While things like daddy o five goes out undetected but channels that make comedy are hit because their taste in comedy was too controversial

It's retarded

@xXPuppyLoverXx I think the issue is how YouTube can easily pivot itself to more extermist videos and show them to people watching. The algorithm prefers long videos with lots of comments and that's controversial political content that does that

AI is bullshit too.

You probably could tune it to get rid of daddy o five

But the problem is that you start getting false positives

The more sensitive you make it, the more satire gets caught up in the filter

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS we’re approaching a correlation vs causation problem, it doesn’t favour them directly it just favours a thing that they happen to do

I find it interesting that ISIS propaganda is easily accessible. Like wtf?

Are you looking for it specifically gwench? 😂

>easily Accessible

Yeah

Very

https://bdnews24.com/technology/2018/09/08/youtube-algorithm-sends-germans-seeking-news-to-far-right-tirades

It's reposted from the NYT so it's legit despite the website looking old @xXPuppyLoverXx

Very

Naaa. There’s not a chance in hell I would put myself in that spot.

I don't get it gwench

Uncensored internet means controversial shit will be easily accessible

Me neither, in all my time on the internet ive never seen anything even close to it

^^^^^^

Unless you lose for it

Look

Now if you want it to not be available in the surface web

Then that's a problem

Because you can't have something safeguard your beliefs and still have it uncensored

You can’t censor things from the internet, it just doesn’t work

Streisand effect in a nutshell

@Satan I want the freedom to make my own choices through research and discernment.

You have that freedom now

You have the freedom to do that lok

Lol

Just because there is Isis shit on the internet doesn't mean you're not allowed to make up your own mind

Now if you’re research comes purely from watching YouTube videos, then you’ve got a problem

https://bdnews24.com/technology/2018/09/08/youtube-algorithm-sends-germans-seeking-news-to-far-right-tirades

This is a good article about how the YT alogrithim prefers and shows extermist content, it was on the NYT but reposted to this website

I cannot discern if valuable content is being withheld.

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS I suppose the controversial factor is a big part of what makes videos get watched a lot in a short amount of time

What’s being withheld?

However I think ethically the alogrithim needs to be changed, dispite it making the most money for YT otherwise you are gonna find a real quick way to disconnect people from reality

Personally, I prefer articles and journals. I can’t stand watching videos.

Yt algorithm sucks

YT alogrithim is bad and I hate it

They want to make it more business friendly and I can't blame them for that

Can we just backtrack a second

@xXPuppyLoverXx Censorship is the same as withholding information.

I'm more concerned about the way it recommends content, but the advertiser stuff was all pewdiepies fault

> AI is bullshit too.
How so?

Not real

Read a book

I can’t tell if that’s a “space is fake bullshit” kind of bullshit or if it’s a “this is bad” kind of bullshit

It's not all PewDiePie, nat
He made some edgy jokes but if news companies wouldn't have tried to piggy back of his success then it wouldn't have been highlighted

Gwench you are working under the assumption that all knowledge is equal, which I personally disagree with. I don't care if violent rethoric is banned. In fact I'm glad if it is

Me neither, puppy

Ai isn’t real, they pay lots of poor people to pick videos for you

I think it's more AI is fake, I saw it on a list of conspiraces once

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS It’s not just violent rhetoric that gets censored.

Is YouTube removing some videos censorship?

It’s entirely within their rights to remove videos that go against their content policy

There are plenty of other sites you can find violent rhetoric etc

I wouldn't call it censorship, the message can be uploaded on Vimeo and stuff

Have you looked at liveleak recently

@xXPuppyLoverXx Yes it is within their rights. That is why we need IBOR. The Internet Bill of Rights.

It's a private company telling you to go away, not a country arresting you for thought crime

They are under no obligation to host your content

@The Gwench would the IBOR allow Isis videos and videos promoting shakeria law?

If you ban sites deleting videos you end up with a very big problem