Since that goes completely against a lot of copyright law

I could pirate a film, host it on YouTube and they wouldn’t be allowed to delete it

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS Regrettably, this would still not fix the problem with terrorist propaganda.

Nice dodge

You couldn't possibly remove it if there was an IBOR

By al means, force ISPs to treat all traffic equally but forcing websites to treat all hosted content equally just isn’t practical

@xXPuppyLoverXx The Internet bill of rights is about freedom of your own speech...not someone else’s.

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But if it applies to all people everyone would be able to post anything

YouTube is censoring opinions
They take down videos talking against Islam cause it is not advertiser friendly
And yeah they are in their right to do that
However they've started demonitising that kinda vids which I think is fair

Because of their own freedom

A website deleting your video isn’t a freedom of speech problem

A government arresting you for posting your video is

Just because you have the right to say something doesn’t mean everyone is forced to listen to you

So the IBOR is for a few select people?

Otherwise it would allow Isis vids

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS The IBOR would allow ISIS videos.

Relevant xkcd as always

It's not freedoms of speech problem but it is censorship and it's within their right to do that tbh

However, there could be ways around the ISIS videos if they are found to incite violence.

Which is the current system

Eh you can find snuff with a few clicks what's your point

The IBOR would be useless as nothing would change

There’d just be a ton more porn on youtube

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However, people that have pro-trump views are being censored. Without having committed any incitement of hatred or violence.

Everyone protrump is being censored?

Are they being purged from the internet by the government? Or do sites just not want that stuff on their site

I can find YouTubers who actively support trump and still have their platform

If I was running a website and some fuckwit started going on about how trump is the messiah then id probably remove it, that’s not censorship though

@Satan The censorship is in the form of shadowbanning. You need to know specifically who or what you are looking for.

Where is this happening?

The rules in this server would also no longer apply

I could send satanic images and speak in not English and you couldn't stop me

It is censorship @xXPuppyLoverXx

But you're not wrong to be doing that

It's within your right

And it doesn't violate their freedom of speech but it's still censorship

Censorship is when a government does it

It can be done by private entities but it revolves around the act of suppressing someone or something

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS Yes you could.

In this case, the crazy trump supporter is welcome to go outside and tell people and nobody will stop him

If you're looking for a truly uncensored platform then 4chan is your destination😂

Say if I invited Puppy to a party, and he starts saying the n word loads. I could tell puppy to shut the fuck up and kick him out the party, I wouldn't be cenosring him, I'd be showing him the door for unacceptable behaviour

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N word

The thing is when you agree to use these websites you sign a contract and that means they can ban you if you break the terms of service

You already agreed that you could be kicked

You don't like it make your own website

The point I should take out of our conversation is that I can ban whomever I want for whatever reason I want. And any complaining from any of you would be hypocritical.

Sure, but we wouldn’t be claiming that you banning us is A. Censoring us or B. Violating our right to free speech

You are well within your right to ban people

It wouldn't be censoring according to the definition tho

But yes you are within your right to do it

However it would be a dick move

And if I ban anyone...I don’t even need to explain myself. 😃

Nope

Basically having certain rules like we already do is censorship

But it’s not censorship and it’s not violating free speech

I mean you could take that point, however I think you'd be missing my point that I didn't break any of the agreed upon rules. FB can ban anyone that breaks their terms of service by knowingly spreading fake news

👀 it's censorship

Omg guys. I think I’ve changed my mind on this censorship thing. Perhaps I might like it better this way. Thanks for your help in changing my mind.

If you banned anyone who disagrees with the FE model then you might be toeing the line of censorship but it’s still not violating free speech

If I started sending satanic images, then yeah ban me. Or if I was being a dick yeah ban me. But that's a false equivalence if you ban me for "no reason"

*cough* 24/7 *cough*

Having rules is a form of censorship

You not allowing me to be rude is basically still censorship

Not a violation of free speech

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS It is. my right to ban you for whatever reason I see fit. You guys said so.

I elaborated on my point above

Yes, @The Gwench but you have to have a rule against it first

And you can make rules as you see fit

Also rules aren't censorship, if I break my tenancy agreement I'm not being censored. If I break the law I'm not getting censored

@Satan No I don’t. It’s my server...and if I don’t want certain content on my server...I don’t have to.

@Satan the thing is everyone agrees on mainsteam social media rules

Prohibiting someone from doing something is censorship

That's literally what it is

When you make a YT account you agree not to incite anything or break the rules

That's not my point nat

I'm being censored from robbing this bank? Or am I missing it more?

I'm not saying yt banning someone because they did something against the rules is wrong

@Satan Huh? No it isn’t. @I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS and @xXPuppyLoverXx convinced me of that.

But rules itself are a censorship since you're prohibiting someone from doing something

I mean what happens with no rules? you seem to be against the concept of rules

@Satan I suggest talking to @I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS and @xXPuppyLoverXx. They’re the ones working against you.

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I'm genuinely not getting your point

You don't get my point
I'm not against rules or banning someone because they don't agree with rules I'm just saying that it is a form of censorship so don't say it isn't

Prohibiting someone from doing something is literally what censorship is

The definition is a bit more complex than that

It’s about actively suppressing someone or something, not just removing it from a website

What's the definition then

Removing something from a website *is* actively surpressing them

And again it's within your right to censor

You’re not preventing them from saying it overall though

But you are suppressing them from a platform and rightfully so

They are still allowed to say whatever it is they said, you haven’t suppressed their ability to communicate with other people about it because there is always another site to use

Yeah but they are being censored from that certain platform

That’s right @Satan We would not be preventing you from saying whatever you want...just not in this server.