You do know Gun Jesus is off camera calling on that rifle to function for him as a miracle to Democrats at the Auction House.

"This gun has not functioned in years." Gun Jesus touches it and it suddenly is able to fire.

WITHOUT AMMO!

Hey, how do the compensate for recoil for this?

Recoil? My god man, you can safely shoot at Jerry without being shot by a Hun Sniper! Why are you bothering about Recoil?

what video is that? it looks comfy and I wanna see it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqrw9KVzQzc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFG02bh6oQk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr_j_7oXbNE

You asketh, The Internet shall share the Gospil of Gun Jesus.

@Timcast what i recommend for use in home defense for apartments Pistol Caliber, Rifle controllability. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP0IeO2jx_c

...submachinegun cost

Well it has the high points, the down side is Auto-Ordnance is expensive. The cheep would be a High Point in .45ACP. Lets be honest a semiauto PCC in .45 is going to be expensive no mater what

waaait, that's a semiauto

also, rifle is actually better for preventing overpen

556 has less barrier pen than 45

but more armor pen

Cheep end is about $1K

.45ACP out of a 16" has reduced muzzle velocity and in an appartment will have a harder time busting throw drywall when you use JHP rounds. 16" for 5.56x45 or 9x19 will punch throw drywall no problem.

uh, in what world does a long barrel *reduce* muzzle velocity?

In .45ACP and .44MAG where the powder burns up in 10 to 14" of barrel.

and you're plain wrong, barrier penetration improves with mass, not speed

WAT

I may be drunk

but in no scenario ever

does mass EVER change

You are drunk.

Yes, 5.56 rounds are between 50 and 80 gr (Averages) 9Luger is about 100 to 130 gr (averages) and .45 ACP is normally found in 200 plus gr weights

If you shoot a heavy bullet at a wall it'll go through more than a fast bullet is what I'm saying

^

I mean, if you're getting really technical, then yes, a heavier projectile improves penetration, but it improves at speed^2

barrier, not armor...

mass x speed x speed

and that's energy, not penetration

= force

= "penetration"

No.

Those are parts of the Terminal Ballistic Effect equations not the hole Cwow

@Crow there's more to going through kevlar and wall respectively than just the energy

otherwise a strong punch would go through kevlar

Also included are things like Bullet design, diameter, and media being shot at

^

a strong punch DOES go through kevlar, which is why blunt trauma is a thing

but it doesn't penetrate

there isn't a hole in the kevlar

Jacketed Hallow Points do better against flesh than kevlar, but can weigh the same as a full metal jacket that does do better against the kevlar than the flesh

>and you're plain wrong, barrier penetration improves with mass, not speed
This is what I'm arguing against

fundamentally

barrier penetration improves with mass AND speed, as well as a hundred smaller factors like shape (not really relevant to this argument)

toss a baseball at a wall, now THROW the baseball at the wall, same mass, does the extra speed help it go deeper??

kek

a baseball thrown does not have enough energy to penetrate a wall generally speaking

Strong throw that goes through a wall... Sure it will, but a heavy baseball going fast is still going through more layers than a light baseball going REALLY fast

a drop a cannon ball from 1y, now SHOOT the cannon ball at a wall with the same mass

There was a test they did where they took drywall sheets lined up behind one another and shot it with various calibers

mass x speed x speed

more energy, less inertia my dude, and inertia is what you need for the wall

speed (velocity) is a lot more important than mass

which is why a few gram heavy bullet can REKK your body armor and kill you

The other part of it Proyne is that I have in more modern handgun loads (JHPs) in particular they are using fast burn powders these days so in a long barrel (over 14") you are losing muzzle Velocity.

as the long as the bullet is going SANIC FAST supersonic speeds

>you are losing muzzle Velocity.

I call bullshit

you might get no measurable improvement in muzzle velocity, but I find it VERY hard to believe you would lose muzzle velocity

.44MAG lever gun chronos faster as SBR than a Carbine

for that to happen, the pressure from the atmosphere outside would have to be higher than that inside barrel

there's friction from the barrel, you know

Now if you were to up that to a 20" plus barrel it would really lose the MV

14" to 16.5" will cause about 10 to 20% depending on the powder,

yeah but that requires an insane scenario where the barrel friction is equal to or greater than the pressure difference between a figurative gunpowder explosion and NTP

you have no idea how high friction gets at near-sonic speeds gets do you

But if you go to a slow burn powder it will result in the traditional increased MV in up to 18" barrel

a simple way to visualize this:

does a 20'' have a muzzle flame?

Firing .45? I'm gonna say no

actually no, that doesn't actually prove anything

as what you're firing might burn VERY slowly

I can't find a 20" barrel i .45ACP

THAT is a good argument in my favor

Makes sense, why the hell would you do that

since you can't find a 20¨ barrel, do you agree it could be because a 20¨ barrel provides no benefit?

20" is a fairly normal "Rifle Length" Barrel across calibers

no measurable benefit over a X¨long barrel that is shorter

The M16s have 20" barrels, 20" shotgun barrels, ect

I have found 16 to 17" barrels for .45ACP, but then again the military chose 10" barrels for their Thompsons.

which one is optimal

obviously, if you use a 200¨ barrel you will lose out

but I'm

really interested to hear what the breaking point is

assuming
>20" is a fairly normal "Rifle Length" Barrel across calibers
I'd hazard a guess and say 20" is close to optimal since weapon designers have a LOT of practice

I mean it could be 16" as has been mentioned ITT

or maybe it's 24 or 22

in (7.62x51 Winchester Comercial loads) 24" is considered the best ballance of mobility vs Maximizing performance, in 6.5 Creedmore I hear calls for 26"

But in terms of usefulness, 20" offers a ballance of MV and functional mobility so it is common, the other big ones in the US are 16" because of the NFA and 14" for 5.56x45 rounds because that is the threshhold for useful MV vs FM that the military uses

The M1 Garand was set up with a 24" barrel

Lol

oh shit @Zuihou you play Girls Frontline?

i used to play it but it never gave me any of the guns i wanted so now i'm playing the game with boats

Azure Lane?