Message from @Crow

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2018-08-25 21:11:38 UTC  

I call bullshit

2018-08-25 21:12:49 UTC  

you might get no measurable improvement in muzzle velocity, but I find it VERY hard to believe you would lose muzzle velocity

2018-08-25 21:14:03 UTC  

.44MAG lever gun chronos faster as SBR than a Carbine

2018-08-25 21:14:03 UTC  

for that to happen, the pressure from the atmosphere outside would have to be higher than that inside barrel

2018-08-25 21:14:40 UTC  

there's friction from the barrel, you know

2018-08-25 21:15:18 UTC  

Now if you were to up that to a 20" plus barrel it would really lose the MV

2018-08-25 21:16:09 UTC  

14" to 16.5" will cause about 10 to 20% depending on the powder,

2018-08-25 21:16:37 UTC  

yeah but that requires an insane scenario where the barrel friction is equal to or greater than the pressure difference between a figurative gunpowder explosion and NTP

2018-08-25 21:17:04 UTC  

you have no idea how high friction gets at near-sonic speeds gets do you

2018-08-25 21:17:11 UTC  

But if you go to a slow burn powder it will result in the traditional increased MV in up to 18" barrel

2018-08-25 21:17:13 UTC  

a simple way to visualize this:

2018-08-25 21:17:34 UTC  

does a 20'' have a muzzle flame?

2018-08-25 21:18:01 UTC  

Firing .45? I'm gonna say no

2018-08-25 21:18:05 UTC  

actually no, that doesn't actually prove anything

2018-08-25 21:18:19 UTC  

as what you're firing might burn VERY slowly

2018-08-25 21:18:34 UTC  

I can't find a 20" barrel i .45ACP

2018-08-25 21:18:58 UTC  

THAT is a good argument in my favor

2018-08-25 21:19:03 UTC  

Makes sense, why the hell would you do that

2018-08-25 21:19:33 UTC  

since you can't find a 20¨ barrel, do you agree it could be because a 20¨ barrel provides no benefit?

2018-08-25 21:19:46 UTC  

20" is a fairly normal "Rifle Length" Barrel across calibers

2018-08-25 21:20:10 UTC  

no measurable benefit over a X¨long barrel that is shorter

2018-08-25 21:20:50 UTC  

The M16s have 20" barrels, 20" shotgun barrels, ect

2018-08-25 21:23:22 UTC  

I have found 16 to 17" barrels for .45ACP, but then again the military chose 10" barrels for their Thompsons.

2018-08-25 21:29:50 UTC  

which one is optimal

2018-08-25 21:30:37 UTC  

obviously, if you use a 200¨ barrel you will lose out

2018-08-25 21:30:53 UTC  

but I'm

2018-08-25 21:31:13 UTC  

really interested to hear what the breaking point is

2018-08-25 21:33:40 UTC  

assuming
>20" is a fairly normal "Rifle Length" Barrel across calibers
I'd hazard a guess and say 20" is close to optimal since weapon designers have a LOT of practice

2018-08-25 21:34:31 UTC  

I mean it could be 16" as has been mentioned ITT

2018-08-25 21:34:51 UTC  

or maybe it's 24 or 22

2018-08-25 21:35:50 UTC  

in (7.62x51 Winchester Comercial loads) 24" is considered the best ballance of mobility vs Maximizing performance, in 6.5 Creedmore I hear calls for 26"

2018-08-25 21:37:55 UTC  

But in terms of usefulness, 20" offers a ballance of MV and functional mobility so it is common, the other big ones in the US are 16" because of the NFA and 14" for 5.56x45 rounds because that is the threshhold for useful MV vs FM that the military uses

2018-08-25 21:40:31 UTC  

The M1 Garand was set up with a 24" barrel

2018-08-26 01:51:07 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/467577750325297162/483090991482404864/Screenshot_20180825-184137_Facebook.jpg

2018-08-26 01:51:08 UTC  

Lol

2018-08-26 01:53:28 UTC  

oh shit @Zuihou you play Girls Frontline?

2018-08-26 01:54:12 UTC  

i used to play it but it never gave me any of the guns i wanted so now i'm playing the game with boats

2018-08-26 01:54:43 UTC  

Azure Lane?

2018-08-26 01:55:16 UTC  
2018-08-26 01:55:24 UTC  

Im in the GFL server

2018-08-26 01:55:38 UTC  

ye