Well it has the high points, the down side is Auto-Ordnance is expensive. The cheep would be a High Point in .45ACP. Lets be honest a semiauto PCC in .45 is going to be expensive no mater what

waaait, that's a semiauto

also, rifle is actually better for preventing overpen

556 has less barrier pen than 45

but more armor pen

Cheep end is about $1K

.45ACP out of a 16" has reduced muzzle velocity and in an appartment will have a harder time busting throw drywall when you use JHP rounds. 16" for 5.56x45 or 9x19 will punch throw drywall no problem.

uh, in what world does a long barrel *reduce* muzzle velocity?

In .45ACP and .44MAG where the powder burns up in 10 to 14" of barrel.

and you're plain wrong, barrier penetration improves with mass, not speed

WAT

I may be drunk

but in no scenario ever

does mass EVER change

You are drunk.

Yes, 5.56 rounds are between 50 and 80 gr (Averages) 9Luger is about 100 to 130 gr (averages) and .45 ACP is normally found in 200 plus gr weights

If you shoot a heavy bullet at a wall it'll go through more than a fast bullet is what I'm saying

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I mean, if you're getting really technical, then yes, a heavier projectile improves penetration, but it improves at speed^2

barrier, not armor...

mass x speed x speed

and that's energy, not penetration

= force

= "penetration"

No.

Those are parts of the Terminal Ballistic Effect equations not the hole Cwow

@Crow there's more to going through kevlar and wall respectively than just the energy

otherwise a strong punch would go through kevlar

Also included are things like Bullet design, diameter, and media being shot at

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a strong punch DOES go through kevlar, which is why blunt trauma is a thing

but it doesn't penetrate

there isn't a hole in the kevlar

Jacketed Hallow Points do better against flesh than kevlar, but can weigh the same as a full metal jacket that does do better against the kevlar than the flesh

>and you're plain wrong, barrier penetration improves with mass, not speed
This is what I'm arguing against

fundamentally

barrier penetration improves with mass AND speed, as well as a hundred smaller factors like shape (not really relevant to this argument)

toss a baseball at a wall, now THROW the baseball at the wall, same mass, does the extra speed help it go deeper??

kek

a baseball thrown does not have enough energy to penetrate a wall generally speaking

Strong throw that goes through a wall... Sure it will, but a heavy baseball going fast is still going through more layers than a light baseball going REALLY fast