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2018-05-24 12:23:20 UTC

Fucking lol ๐Ÿ˜‚

2018-05-24 12:23:42 UTC

instead of proof of work you're generating anime avis, i don't even

2018-05-24 12:24:30 UTC

woke up and that was the first item in my news feed

2018-05-24 14:18:10 UTC

man i really wish bitchute was the new thing but the content just isint there

2018-05-24 14:19:17 UTC

all these alt tech sites need is entertainers and currently they just dont have that because youtube isint targeting those as harshly as other content

2018-05-24 14:21:04 UTC

they need NEW entertainers ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-05-24 14:21:49 UTC

new entertainers would help but also im not going to use bitchute unless people i watch on youtube start using it

2018-05-24 14:22:06 UTC

"Actually YouTube wants the sub button to become a loot box instead.๏ปฟ"

someone figured it out!

2018-05-24 14:22:31 UTC

well theres your issue then, Youtube knows that people wont leave as long as their creators are on there
So big creators get looser rights

2018-05-24 14:22:38 UTC

so that they stay

2018-05-24 14:23:01 UTC

yeah thats kinda what i just said

2018-05-24 14:23:09 UTC

yes

2018-05-24 14:23:11 UTC

its a bad situation

2018-05-24 14:23:41 UTC

here is the problem, big creators would need to move, whole sale, onto a new site and just stop youtube. that is a MAJOR risk

2018-05-24 14:23:59 UTC

yes, they'd have to trust all their subscribers move over too

2018-05-24 14:24:10 UTC

they dont need to just stop youtube

2018-05-24 14:24:34 UTC

yes they would or the youtube crowd would not move

2018-05-24 14:24:36 UTC

people are lazy

2018-05-24 14:24:44 UTC

thats not completely true

2018-05-24 14:24:49 UTC

why would i go to bitchute or something when i can still find it on youtube

2018-05-24 14:24:57 UTC

every time bullshit about youtube comes out i want to move but i cant

2018-05-24 14:25:14 UTC

youd do it because you realize youtube is shit

2018-05-24 14:25:29 UTC

youtube isint just fucking with creators anymore

2018-05-24 14:25:36 UTC

its fucking with watchers

2018-05-24 14:25:47 UTC

to be fair, what could work

Is that the youtube creators, just place youtube videos with links to their bitshute site ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-05-24 14:26:00 UTC

thats an idea

2018-05-24 14:26:02 UTC

so people can see on youtube they have a new movie, click the link

2018-05-24 14:26:06 UTC

and watch it on bitchute instead

2018-05-24 14:26:25 UTC

its how many youtube lets-players announce they're live on twitch for example

2018-05-24 14:26:31 UTC

just a video that says "go to link in description"

2018-05-24 14:26:42 UTC

and only have the link in the description

2018-05-24 14:27:54 UTC

i have no illusions that if your a youtuber with your content on both platforms that yotuube will still have more veiws. however bitchute is a platform without all the bullshit of youtube. at the same time im almost positive youtube will devalue any creator who is doubling up on both platforms especially big creators who do it

2018-05-24 14:28:03 UTC

like they did with patreon for a while

2018-05-24 14:29:36 UTC

but the only solution is to be on youtube and bitchute at the same time, not one or the other. not until one of them dies anyway, which you want to be youtube at this point because youtube is just one of the worst platforms out there now, its just old and everyone uses it

2018-05-24 14:31:07 UTC

there will always be people on youtube who when they know that your on bitchute they will watch you there insted, theres a reason styx has as much success on bitchute as he does

2018-05-24 14:31:32 UTC

its not a lot of people but it will also grow the more people who do it

2018-05-24 14:31:36 UTC

so, here is the problem. any alternative platform to youtube needs an injection of viewers.

2018-05-24 14:31:45 UTC

not necessarily content creators

2018-05-24 14:32:06 UTC

no, build it and they will come

2018-05-24 14:32:24 UTC

they may come, but will the come before the doors need to close

2018-05-24 14:32:32 UTC

that is the problem

2018-05-24 14:32:35 UTC

you dont herd a bunch of factory workers into a field and build the factory around them while they wait

2018-05-24 14:33:00 UTC

until you have something people want to go to, people WONT go to it

2018-05-24 14:33:01 UTC

yes, but you also don't keep the factory open if you build it and then you don't have enough workers

2018-05-24 14:33:08 UTC

its not a problem, it ONLY works this way

2018-05-24 14:33:14 UTC

bitshute needs to offer creators something better than youtube,
if its more lucrative, they'll jump ship, announce it on youtube and bring (atleast part) of their following with them

2018-05-24 14:33:29 UTC

the factory is built, now you need a company to rent it and bring in their already existing workforce

2018-05-24 14:33:43 UTC

it needs to become popular

2018-05-24 14:33:45 UTC

bitchute does offer creators something better than yotuube, it is more lucrative in theory

2018-05-24 14:33:57 UTC

it doesent have the supply for that yet though

2018-05-24 14:34:25 UTC

yes i agree the only way to compete with youtube is have a lot of money

2018-05-24 14:34:41 UTC

the age old issue of modernisation,
The long term profits are there
But short term they aren't, so people don't go for it

2018-05-24 14:34:48 UTC

big creators might not see the time and effort needed to maintain two or more different video sites. sitting for who knows how long waiting for something to upload twice, only to see one sit get like no views and the other to get tons

2018-05-24 14:35:02 UTC

@Dr.Wol hit the nail on the head

2018-05-24 14:35:30 UTC

you need the money now to get to the profits then. but that is a gamble.

2018-05-24 14:35:40 UTC

i mean at some point the profits will be there because eventually youtube just deletes your channal

2018-05-24 14:35:41 UTC

because the profits might not end up showing up

2018-05-24 14:35:58 UTC

but thats a very slow burn

2018-05-24 14:36:11 UTC

well right, but so long as youtube is around, the profits might not be there. so why waste the energy?

2018-05-24 14:36:52 UTC

i'm sure that if like say tim moved exclusively to bitchute, most of his fans would probably follow.

2018-05-24 14:37:08 UTC

even more if he did the "post a video to tell people to go to bitchute"

2018-05-24 14:37:10 UTC

because your labor to profit ratio is always going down on youtube and has been going down for the last 6 years

2018-05-24 14:37:38 UTC

yes, and as that goes down, it makes moving more needed and harder to do.

2018-05-24 14:37:59 UTC

its like a business that knows what it needs to do in order to turn around, but does have the capital to do it.

2018-05-24 14:39:19 UTC

and last i checked, there is no lending agency for youtube creators to do something like offer to do the leg work of maintain a second channel on bitchute in exchange for compensation at a later time, regardless if the thing takes off.

2018-05-24 14:39:40 UTC

(that said, wonder if there is a business model for doing that)

2018-05-24 14:39:52 UTC

you arnt paying attention to youtube then

2018-05-24 14:40:07 UTC

then why haven't the big guys left yet

2018-05-24 14:40:17 UTC

if its so no brainer, why haven't they?

2018-05-24 14:41:49 UTC

its not a no brainer, and they also arnt the brightest people in the world. youtube is depressing, we havent heard good news or good implamentations of ideas by youtube for 4 years. they only do things that make the platform worse

2018-05-24 14:42:58 UTC

like your right that theres a lot of work involved in doing something you have no guarentee in paying off. but youtube isint going to shoot you in the head, its slowly going to take more and more food away from you to see how long you can last before you starve to death

2018-05-24 14:43:10 UTC

a no brainer is a bullet in the head

2018-05-24 14:43:29 UTC

starvation is complicated

2018-05-24 14:44:51 UTC

the biggest problem is money. the money on youtube comes from ads. this is how shit has been done since forever, right? just the new version of tv. But ads are flaky. They require views, sometimes clicks. That is a really risky business model. And as people have pointed out, youtube has not really made money, probably since google bought it if it ever really made money.

2018-05-24 14:45:04 UTC

your also less likely to want to do something for potentially nothing while your being starved

2018-05-24 14:46:12 UTC

So, how do these new sites compare. Do they have the same set of ads. if so, how do you prevent a bunch of major ad companies from making a fuss over something and then pulling out. causing either the platform to respond, or creators to leave, unless that ad space can be filled.

2018-05-24 14:46:17 UTC

but the move to bitchute also isint an incredibly huge risk, not as much of a risk as moving there and not staying on youtube at the same time. but time is also money

2018-05-24 14:47:29 UTC

oh i agree, any alt tech company needs to be built not to deal with the same problems youtube has

2018-05-24 14:47:38 UTC

but not all of youtubes problems are about ads

2018-05-24 14:48:08 UTC

half of youtubes problems are about content control and presentation

2018-05-24 14:49:34 UTC

fucking shit with subscriptions, fucking shit with how things are recommended, these are long term protections against problems with ad's i agree. but at the same time they also are about culling the platform into something simply better for them to make money dispite how that runs into large chucks of their audience

2018-05-24 14:50:18 UTC

personally, i think more creators need to actually go out and get sponsorships directly. I know its iffy, but really, you need a company that says "we know exactly what you produce, and we agree." Then its no longer a risk of the platform turning on you that will cost you money. so then its just which one is easiest for my fans to see a new video i posted.

2018-05-24 14:50:38 UTC

why would you ever need to implament a 2nd conformation to a subscription button (the bell) and then later implament a 3rd confermation to a subscription (the tab that opens up after the bell now) THEN start messing with the subscription feed

2018-05-24 14:50:56 UTC

look it doesent matter what creators do now

2018-05-24 14:51:21 UTC

they could be sponcered by the whitehouse. if youtube wants you dead, they are your god now

2018-05-24 14:51:27 UTC

either that, or start having paid subscriptions. Which is what patreon almost is

2018-05-24 14:51:46 UTC

well thats why i said then the platform is less problematic

2018-05-24 14:51:58 UTC

doesn't matter if the video doesn't get views for a while, or when it gets views.

2018-05-24 14:52:05 UTC

what sponcer would sponcer you over someone who has better growth? youtube is controling your economic mobility on their platform this is a killer

2018-05-24 14:52:32 UTC

so if you go to bitchute, it doesn't matter how long it takes to rebuild your viewership because views are no longer your source of income basically

2018-05-24 14:52:54 UTC

they will keep tightening the screws until they can actually cause people to lose subscribers and veiws simply due to their algorythmes alone

2018-05-24 14:53:08 UTC

i mean, look at roosterteeth. They are a pretty big company now. They started doing online videos, for free, way before youtube.

2018-05-24 14:53:49 UTC

but they did this with first free work, then paid subscriptions on their own site, then branching out to put themselves out there on various stuff.

2018-05-24 14:54:08 UTC

then they sold merch, downloads, all kinds of things

2018-05-24 14:54:20 UTC

(i mean, diversify is the best business practice)

2018-05-24 14:55:29 UTC

it doesent matter where your advertisers come from, if you dont have enough veiws youll eventually stop getting ads. right now advertisers are being experimental because there is a need for it, that wont last

2018-05-24 14:55:31 UTC

but so long as views == money, people are gonna have a hard time doing and kind of switch. because either its a full switch which may backfire because they get too little views for their remaining capital and need to shut the doors and find a new job, or they put in extra work for little to no returns until one of the alts takes off

2018-05-24 14:56:04 UTC

@Arch-Fiend yes, but if you have a sponsor, then youtube or bitchute can't say you make no money on this video now

2018-05-24 14:56:15 UTC

there will be a day when vikings doesent just had out sponcers to just anybody

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