You realize adoption agencies can say no, right?

Uhhh yeah, Aussie, i mentioned getting a nice girl right?

Yes I would want to raise kids with good genes. I don't want to raise low IQ disabled kids.

And you only lovethem for something you cant controll

Who says people with bad genes would have kids in the future.

Or that those could be fixed?

I mean, do you think your eugenic utopia is going to happen in the next 20 years?

I really don't see that happening.

And if it does, you want to know the costs?

The Tau

I see it like this. We have eugenics or civilization will die out.

Hell, they will probably just hang people like all of us here.

I see it like this. We've come this far without it.

No we haven't mate.

Oh shit, is this the matrix?

We lost rome, we lost britan, we lost 90% of the earths population before

Have you heard of the war on murder?

Are we not actually alive today?

Oh shit, that sounds serious, m8

If anything humans are good at adapting to almost anything

^ ^ ^

All you can do is to prepare yourself while the rest of society grow lazy and subservient

Basically.

That is no reason. You are being dependant on others "doing the right thing"

Basically England killed alot of crimals for hundreds of years which stoped the genes from passing on to the next generation.

And as a result you give up your own personal happiness. Only you can be 100% sure on your own actions.

Except for the criminals that already had children

🤔

I just think that people in the future should be better and one way of doing that is for them to have better genes.

That's a perfectly fine thought to have

We are not arguing that thats a bad thing here

Yes some criminals did have children but alot didn't because they were dead.

It's enforcement of that that I have a problem with.

You aren't limiting this to harsh enforcement of law, though.

So you want soming but you don't want to do what is needed to get it?

You're drawing a line, and telling people they have to walk it

You think anyone can be trusted with the power needed to bring it?

Under the presumption that you know best

A govt that decides for you that your child is forfiet. A govt that only allows certain groups to breed. Eventually that will even get corrup

the problem with that is that people like me exist who will resist you with everything, because to people like me, life without liberty IS death.

If you don't support eugenics you are just letting dysgenics occur.

People like me fight over every scrap.

You think we against trying to fix the issues in the first place?

We have treatments being researched for shit like degenerative brain disorder.

And aids for people who cant see or hear.

@RyeNorth I'm sorry to tell you but most people just do what their told.

Where flesh fails, tech will succeed

Mmhmm. They'll do what they're told following people like me, too.

Not everyone is sheep.

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Like I said, only you can be 100% sure of your actions

Other people you can not

But most people are sheep that just how a society works.

You focus too much on genetics, too much on conformity, and completely ignore the fact that either the race will live enslaved, or free will will ruin your plan.

Your system will only work if the people under it follow the plan 100% to the letter.

And if a race were to live enslaved, what's the damn point but eventual rebellion?

We're not damned cattle.

The higher the IQs grow, the more existential your sheep become.

I think we dissagree about freedom for the race. I see it as being free from other races messing with us and you seem to see it as having democracy.

No, I see it as having dictatorship.

because there's no way that works without it.

I dissagree the Japanes have higher average IQs but they repect their goverment. Goverment isn't the problem it's who runs the goverment that matters.

Like I said, I dont like the amount of power given to the people who will oversee it

And cause their govt gives the japs alot of leaway

They also commit suicide at a much higher rate than the rest of the world.

Like they told the UN to fuckoff everytime they try to police their morality

Existentialism is a bitch.

There is a reason why the intellectuals are very few, they tend to be celibate or deviants for some reason

Not passing on the genes as much.

And the abortions

They tend to either overthink things to the point of neuroticism

I don't see how democracy can work. Having your leader chosen by popularty contest is a stupid idea.

Or they get lost in their vices.

We think its stupid too. But its the best people got.

That's why I'm damn glad we don't live in a democracy.

Representative Republic, bitches.

I kinda prefer republic however

Even then its not perfect

In the end, a jury of 12 people, on rotation, determine the laws.

Well anything to prevent one small group from holding all the power to the point of corruption

I dissagree. I think having a faicst goverment which has a focus of the race on the national level is the best system.

I think having a small group of people holding alot of power is just going to happen so why not just have good people have that power?

Inversely, why not rebel against that?

Because it works.

Do we have a way to do that now?

Rebelling?

People are too volatile.

Absolutely it does.

Spread the idea around and wait for shit to hit the fan.

In a fascist govt, you are stuck with it forever.

Its too stable, to rigid to accomodate change

Yes I know.

And if the leadership changes, society will have to change faster than it can for the sake of them

You can have tests, whatever, a secret cabal, but even then those things can be infiltrated and corrupted.

Democracy can work in smaller countries, like finland.

And even AI is not infallible

Democracy, I'd argue, does require more heterogeneity.

pardon my spelling

I disagree with the accomodating to change thing but yes there should be some freedoms given to academics, scientists and those sorts of people so we can still have good ideas and advance.

Unless we have a test that is 100% capable of choosing our God Emperor of the Imperium, keeping him immortal, and ensuring he does not stray from his task