ah no, i'm in Europe

Ah, damn.

this is any identitarian movement

Well, yeah.

but yes you now have a new arsenal of quotes to destroy the left with 😛

Quotes like those, while great, aren't capable of 'destroying the left'.

ofc, i think theres even a quote there that says just that, the left doesn't listen, just repeats slogans

These extremists don't answer to reason or logic.

I mean, the best you can do is make an example of them, verbally

well that lack of listening isn't even the issue, its the Extremism, theres no middle ground to them

You're either with them or against them

But the thing is, so many of them think that their college education trumps actual sound reasoning

The Thing people like yoursleves need to understand is that the Alt-right and the far left used to believe in liberalism so we understand what it's about but we became alt-right or far left because liberalism is moral syphilis.

No you didn't.

Yes Jay you are with the white race or against the white race.

I mean, yeah. You might've

but the Alt-Right isn't 'liberalism 2.0' or some shit.

the Alt-right and far left were never liberal

Liberals don't change because they believe in freedom

You were just authoritarians who felt suppressed because otehr authoritarians were against your opinions, so you claim to side with liberals for sympathy so that when you yourself come out on top you can just piss on everyone that doesn't agree with you

There's a bloody damn good reason why figures like Dave Rubin are centrists now.

I know as I said liberalism is moral syphilis.

the fuck does that even mean?

that believing in freedom causes you to slowly go insane and die

Yeah, well the Alt Right is [vague insult]

am I doing it right, mate?

It means liberalism is like a disease that disables the body politic.

And so I should resign freedom to the whims of the alt-right?

No you can't have freedom while others think in terms of collectives.

so the alt-right can become empowered and chase their utopian paradise?

thats only to people who partake in such idiocies

Liberal literally means freedom, the only reason its been corrupted is because the current left establishment went full Goebbels on the world, and went authoritarian, and accusing the other side of being so, thereby claiming they're liberals to gain sympathy

Because no one would even give the far left a single shred of credibility if all they said was "We're just as bad as the current authoritarians"

Which is what you ethnostate people do right now too

Oh, I absolutely can.

My freedom is in my defiance to think in those terms.

I value survival over freedom. you can't even be free now so why don't you join us?

i'd love to, but history has shown that Freedom survives over collectivist thought

considering America was for freedom in WW2 and the cold war

And the collective communists and socialist nazi's both got destroyed

Freedom means you leave each other alone, and you'll fight to preserve that freedom

Not, I'm leaving you free to prepare to kill me

Think in terms of the reconquista the Spanish didn't get the north africas to leave by asking they fought wars to kick them out.

thats exactly what i said

thats called Preserving freedom from those who would take it away

The spanish were collectivised though and so were the Americans both saw themsleves as a people who were under threat by foreigners.

Under national terms, yes.

they were a collective of individuals

Who fought to preserve their individual freedom

they didn't fight for the glory of their country, they fought for their own future

as we all are here

now I understand that you don't actually understand what the definition of a nation is

I don't need to become part of your Civil Ethnostate ideals in order to say "i agree that to preserve our freedom and future we must get rid of the current leftist establishment and stop this massive influx of immigrants"

Jay Americans saw themsleves as a people not just some liberal who thought the war on ideological grounds take the British they were almost invaded they saw themsleves as a different people to the Germans it was the same with Australia who were almost invaded by the Japanese.

you realise America only joined WW2 when they were attacked at pearl harbor right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWeiGllzVDQ

what the fuck even is that argument?

they didn't join because "ooh must protect whitey"

They joined because after pearl harbor they saw that the Axis powers wouldn't stop at Europe

Sorry Jay that isn't true but this explains why they did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjSN4j0pHFs&t=1s

Neo-nazi propaganda. Right.

No History mate history using primary sources.

So in order to win the war with china, they attacked America

the general that made that call would be executed for that idiocy

thats exactly the idiocy that cost the Nazi's the war when they tried to invade Russia

Jay you can say the Japanese were stupid but that was there plan.

Jay Germany invaded Russia becase they correctly assumed the Russians would invade them first.

how could they? half the russian military was on the eastern front defending against Japan

in fact, until general Zhukov smashed the East front and moved to the western front, the Germans were winning

It was called operation thunderstorm.

on top of that, every single german general advised hitler against it because it would be suicide

but he, an arts-major overruled it

Didn't you know the Germans destroyed most of Russia's arms in a few weeks becase there were so many troops, tanks, plans, ect.

Not just an arts-major

but a high school dropout

lol

thats what i said 3 lines ago,

Until general Zhukov got to the west front, the germans were winning

so they couldn't invade Europe because they were busy on the eastern front

Right becase Hitler was a bad artist right?

High School Dropout.

who cares about his artistic skills, the point was he wasn't a general, he had no years of military training to tell himself that it was a stupid idea

So were many other people at that time.

and every single German general that DID told him it was stupid!

just like we do now with the leftists

we tell them inviting these migrants in the millions is stupid

but they wont listen either

It's an attempt for power permanence

Jay please read about Operationthunderstorm before you try to debunk it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Bunich

I think it's ironic that he doesn't know what revisionist means.

Just because they are called revisionists dosen't mean they are wrong and they can prove their arguments with primary sources.

then again he's got a bad track record with standard definitions.

Oh right, I guess revisionist is a synonym for 'Alt-Right Historian'...

you're sending me that link

in which theres an actual paragraph taht starts with "Bunich's "Operatsia Groza'" is full of yet unknown facts about the Third Reich."

this is "Trump-Russia dossier" level of facts

lol

Considering that most of what he practices is revisionist history, are you surprised that he'd go to that?

no, but in this argument i sadly have to be the "open minded" one that inspects given evidence to see if it holds merit or is trash

But i don't even have to dispute that this plan WAS Stalin's actual plan

It still was stupid on Hitlers side, and the Soviet union collapsed aswell

Still proving my argument that the Freedom and individuality of the West is more solid than any Collectivist

And freedom doesn't automatically mean Anarcho-Capitalist, where theres only individuals, no union, no state etc

So becuase Germany didn't win a war against the British empire, USA and USSR it had a bad political system?

no, because Germany decided to split its armies into two (despite knowing it cost them the first world war exactly 1 generation earlier), Hitler was a poor military strategist

He's asking about the merits of national socialism.

jesus christ

I go away for a day and you're all rewriting history

lol

Jay as I showed the USSR planned to invade germany so they should have done nothing to stop them?

jews don't actually exist

It's called being a ~~revisionist.~~ Alt-Right Historian

fixed.